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  • #3722
    Vlad
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    Anyone keeping paros in 100% RO?

    I’ve been mixing it with 25% of tap water so far but began wondering why bother..?
    RO water seems to be be perfect..?

    #3724
    helene schoubye
    Keymaster

    I use 100 procent reverse osmosis water and have done for a long time – with the paro’es. As you say, there seems no reason to add tap water as you would normally.
    When I started with paroes, – and also still when I talk to other aquarists about soft and low ph water, the generel idea is that it is almost dangerous to use 100 procent osmosis water, and most people would really not recommend it. But with paroes its different, this is the water they are used to, – so much better to use this as it is. And if you take precautions and monitor any changes or big leaps in ph etc – then theres no problems really.
    I have actually never experienced any of the problems that I was told would be present by using pure osmosis water, – (ph-crash among other things)

    #3727
    Patrick Guhmann
    Participant

    Hello Dezz,

    I use 100% RO-water, peat, wood and leaves in all my aquariums (4 South America and 1 Asia with Paros). The water is acid and very soft, but I never recognized pH crashes. All plants including the often called hard water plant Vallisneria grows well.

    Greetings
    Patrick

    #3746
    Bernd Bussler
    Participant

    Ich habe meine Paros immer auf 100% Osmose gezüchtet, Pflanzen und Wurzeln puffern das Wasser genug. Jetzt nutze ich aber Regenwasser, ist kostenlos und ist bestens geeignet um Paros zu züchten.
    Gruß Bernd Bussler

    #3763
    Marcin Chyla
    Participant

    Hello, For many years I use pure RO watr in my tanks but I had only few chances to measure conductivity of my water. To change water in my 625 L tank I use long ( about 4m) plastic pipe connected with my RO filter in bathroom. Becouse my big Tank is about 1.5m above ground this occur increase pressure in RO filter. But I never thought about it…until now. Few days ago I bought conductivity tester and I checked water in both tanks (paros and geophagus). In geophagus (bigger tank) was 230 us and in paros was 130 us. I knew that my RO filter is old and probably I should change the membrane but I checked water directly from Ro filter and it was 25 us. So what increase conductivity in my tank? sand, roots – noo 🙂 It was this pressure… Today I will do water change in the old way….I will use two buckets and I will do few rounds between bathroom and my tanks 🙂 I will decrease conductivity in paros tank to ~ 25 us and next I will prepare 15L tank for one pair of my paros 🙂 I can’t wait…
    About paros.. Now I often feed them with small dragonfly larvae – It is amazing to see how paros hunt for them 🙂 – In my opinion it is better food then moina – they don’t have hard chitin armor like daphnia and even bigger one’s are eaten without any problem. I know that this larvae are predators but I will not give them to paros during breeding.
    Greetings!

    #3764
    Marcin Chyla
    Participant

    Hello, For many years I use pure RO watr in my tanks but I had only few chances to measure conductivity of my water. To change water in my 625 L tank I use long ( about 4m) plastic pipe connected with my RO filter in bathroom. Becouse my big Tank is about 1.5m above ground this occur increase pressure in RO filter. But I never thought about it…until now. Few days ago I bought conductivity tester and I checked water in both tanks (paros and geophagus). In geophagus (bigger tank) was 230 us and in paros was 130 us. I knew that my RO filter is old and probably I should change the membrane but I checked water directly from Ro filter and it was 25 us. So what increase conductivity in my tank? sand, roots – noo 🙂 It was this pressure… Today I will do water change in the old way….I will use two buckets and I will do few rounds between bathroom and my tanks 🙂 I will decrease conductivity in paros tank to ~ 25 us and next I will prepare 15L tank for one pair of my paros 🙂 I can’t wait…
    About paros.. Now I often feed them with small dragonfly larvae – It is amazing to see how paros hunt for them 🙂 – In my opinion it is better food then moina – they don’t have hard chitin armor like daphnia and even bigger one’s are eaten without any problem. I know that this larvae are predators but I will not give them to paros during breeding.
    Greetings!

    #3767
    Bernd Bussler
    Participant

    Habe ich das richtig verstanden, der us Wert hat sich durch Druck verändert, oder ist die Übersetzung so schlecht? Libellenlarven sind ok so lange sie klein sind und gefressen werden, sollte aber nur eine im Aquarium überleben ohne das du es merkst wirst du Probleme bekommen.

    #3768
    helene schoubye
    Keymaster

    test

    #3769
    Marcin Chyla
    Participant

    Hello, ok I explain my way of thinking… In RO filter we have two ” boxes” wich are separate by membrane – in one “box” we have tap water and in second we have pure water. When pressure in tap water “box” is high – water molecule can go thru the membrane to the second box with pure water. If we do more pressure in tap water box – more water molecule can go thru the membrane. We often put special end to outer pipe from tap water “box” – to increase pressure in that box – it is good.
    Becouse of my long pipe from filter and becouse of high level of my aqua ( 1.5 m higher then RO filter ) ,I increase pressure in pure water “box” and the same time pressure between this two boxes is going down. Then water molecule can’t go easy from one box to second and productivity of RO fiilter is going down. That’s why conductivity of my water was so high. If someone of You have high pressure in his/her tap water instalation, then, the long pipe from pure water box in RO filter in not able to decrease pressure in filter – I have a low pressure and that’s why my RO fiilter pressure decrease so easy… I hope that my explaination was clear 🙂 and readable 🙂 Best regards !

    #3770
    Marcin Chyla
    Participant

    Hi, Bernd – I thinking what You said about this dragonfly larvae , and in fact it scares me a little 🙂 I quick check this larvae and they are larvae of “Ephemeroptera” I don’t know how it is in english. Anyway that larvae are growing not as huge as dragonfly larvae, in fact they are MUCH more smaller … uff 🙂

    #3771
    Peter Finke
    Participant

    O good it’s Ephemeroptera and not Dragonfly-larvae! I hadn’t understood it before, for two reasons: Even the smallest Dragonfly-larvae are too big for Parosphromenus, and: they are strictly and rightly protected!

    #3772
    Bernd Bussler
    Participant

    Aber bedenke Libellenlarven wachsen sehr schnell, wenn nur eine nicht gefressen wird hast du ein Problem und ein paar Fische weniger. Aber als Futter sind sie ausser Eintagsfliegenlarven nicht zu toppen

    #3773
    Bernd Bussler
    Participant

    Da hast du recht Peter, aber Libellenlarven fangen auch mal ganz klein an, habe sie zu meinen Betta Zeiten regelmässig verfüttert.

    #3774
    Bernd Bussler
    Participant

    Ach Peter ich kann jetzt harvey abgeben, geschlechter sind zu unterscheiden, sind zwar noch nicht so viele aber die anderen Nachzuchten werden in kürze auch soweit sein.

    #3775
    Marcin Chyla
    Participant

    Hello, sorry for this mistake, next time I will better check what I write 🙂 – I was confused becouse of this 3 ‘antennae’ at the end of this larvae –
    I have 70L basin for live food only for Paros in my garden:) It was made for daphnia but, it is plenty of diffrent kinds of small organisms – and last time was more Ephemeroptera larvaes than daphnia 🙂 For my 7 paros it will be more than enough 🙂

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