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Hello together,
just wanted to share an observation.
I think at the moment we have in Sweden the highest amount of Parosphromenus species available
via wholesaler since I live here but obviously nobody wants to buy them.-Two offers P. “deissneri”,
-P.filamentosus
-P. cf. filamentosus
-P.linkei
-P.opallios
-P.paludicola
-P.sp. Sungai BertamSince around two month they are on the list and not dissapearing.
My local fishshop in Stockholm has most of them and we made an interesting
observation.
He ordered P.sp. Sungai Bertam and received two species mixed up.
One of them looks like the fishes I have(P.sp. Sungai Bertam) and
the other ones have red dorsal fins with a black spot on it.
Now we were guessing what it could be.
After I checked pictures at home I would say they are P.sumatranus but it´s
hard to tell cause they don´t show that much colour and also some pictures show
P. sumatranus that look totally different.greetings
VolkerThe spotted dorsal fin might actually point to Parosphromenus sumatranus if they were to develop the filaments.
if it wasn’t the case, then I’d take a blind guess, that this is the species you are looking for:
which is listed as P.allani here: http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum/showthread.php/85750-Parosphromenus-sp. , but i have literally no idea if this is allani, or not.
That´s what I meant, they don´t look like the picture you picked out. But they look a lot
like the ones on the pictures that C.Hinz took in the species description.
The second picture doesn´t match at all.But thanks for your help.
Volker, allani could clearly be excluded (you said it yourself by comparing that picture of G. Kopic. But one has to say: this picture does not show the typicial allani; this big round spot is not to be seen in most individuals). P. allani is the only safe species occuring in Sarawak, and we had never commercial imports from there. Anyhow, allani was never commercially traded before at all. Once it will be the first, of course. But surely not this time.
But it could be sumatranus. This species is very hard to be photographed. The picture you show to us (by I. Koslowski) is the most colourful we have, and that is not typical. Most male sumatranus are much less colourful, sometimes even looking nearly black and white. There is a faint reddish tone in the caudal and sometimes clear reddish lines in the dorsal and anal, but rarely this overall reddish tinge of that photo.
P. sumatranus is a very strange species. It can have a slim body just similar to parvulus and ornaticauda, but in other populations it can have a higher body just similar to the “normal” Paros. Especially strange is the fact that in courtship the male displays head-up; I try to find an old photo of Karen Koomans. She bred the species with 5 pairs tigether in a tank of about 60 liters, and it looked like “a group of soldiers on parade”.
Additionally, there have been commercial imports of sumatranus several times; the last in Germany was about two years ago. The names are always wrong, of course.
So I conclude that your fish might well be this species, and I strongly advise you and your friends to buy some of them in order to breed them. As I said, in breeding they exhibit their full behaviour (and colours, I should add). But the main reason is: Our overall stock in the project is very small indeed. The danger of loosing them again is very high. If the species determination could be confirmed, you and your friends should have a try to enlarge our stock by offspring! To breed P. sumatranus is not as difficult as ornaticauda or some others and very rewarding.
Hello Peter,
thank you for your reply.
I won´t buy them cause of two reasons.First is, I could pick out the males but I´m
not sure with the females, if there are any at all… cause
they are mixed with the P.sp. Sungai Bertam in one tank.
I don´t know how they ended up in the same transport.Second is simple, I have no space to keep them.
It was just interesting to guess which species it could be.
That’s a nice list! It’s a pity there aren’t more project members in Sweden.
Do you intend to go to the IGL-tagung coming spring? In that case you could take some with you…
Sorry,it´s to far away for me.
But if can add my travelling costs to the fishprice, I might think about it. 😛Don’t you people forget the first international conference of the Parosphromenus-project which is scheduled for this year’s September 27-29 (main day the 28th) in Hamburg, Germany.
With a program of prominent speakers including Horst Linke (with films on the natural habitats) or Martin Hallmann (on behaviour) or Lukas Rüber (on Paro-genetices). And with a visit at Bernd Bussler’s breeding station and at least ten species to be bought at that occasion.
We very much hope for visitors and friends from many countries, including America and Asia.
In short time we shall start an enquiry on this homepage to ask who will come to visit that meeting. For in order to arrange it we must be sure of enough interest and people who intend to come.
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