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  • #6701
    Davy Grenouillet
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    Looks like bintan with red on fins…

    #6703
    Davy Grenouillet
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    cf bintan Sentang?

    #6705
    helene schoubye
    Keymaster

    It is hard to say, – but definitely no p. sp. sentang. This species would have only bluish turquise colours. The fish you are showing has a lot of red.
    The only other species with this kind of colouring, as far as I know, would be the Parosphromenus rubrimontis – P. rubrimontis aff. Tanjon Malim, or p. aff.rubrimontis ‘ Mimbon 2008’ (which you can see some photos of under other species.

    #6706
    Davy Grenouillet
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    When I look in the book of Peter and Martin, page 196, it´s the same fish that cf bintan Sentang…

    #6714
    Stefanie Rick
    Participant

    Hi, Davy,

    I think Helene is right – it appears to be a form of rubrimontis.

    Compare to these pictures of my P. aff. rubrimontis Mimbon 2008:

    #6715
    Peter Finke
    Participant

    The owner tells me that the origin of the fish is Sumatra. This is highly probably since the trade has had its major base there over the last five to seven years. The relatively biggest relics of the former widespread and rich populations of different Paros are to be found on Sumatra today. Therefore the catchers try it there. From Western Malaysia and Borneo come very few fish in the last years. The habitats are destroyed; it’s not atrractive from a commercial point of view any longer. It’s up to us to breed the living relics.

    If Sumatra is right, then rubrimontis is most probably ecxluded. Anyway, spec. Mimbon 98 (I bred them some years ago and owned the last male offspring we know about) was a variant of alfredi and not of rubrimontis. And both species are native in small habitats in Western Malaysia. They have never been found on Sumatra (but see below).

    I asked Horst (Linke) what his opinion is. He thinks it is phoenicurus and sent me a picture taken of a specimens short after beeing caught, in the plastic bag. It is similar indeed, but not identical from morphological reasons. So, nevertheless I think his presumption is wrong, either. Some other markers are missing.

    Martin (Hallmann) thinks it is somewhat intermediate between bintan and phoenicurus, both forms native on Sumatra. I think, he is right. The fish might come from a habitat which is not yet known to us enthusiasts but to some commercial catchers only. It’s probably not rubrimontis but a similar hitherto unknown form. Just as phoenicurus from Sumatra is very similar to tweediei from Western Malaysia. In former times there was no sea gap in between; the habitats were connected by the landbridge of old “Sundaland”.

    But: All these conjetures rest on some rather bad photos. We need big, sharp photos of males in full display colours. I know how difficult it is to get them, o yes! But until then we should keep silent with questions and answers.

    #6723
    bartian
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