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3 years 1 week ago #5713 by 7 Zwerge
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I don’t think every­thing is going well with the tra­di­tional trans­port of our fish. I think its a ques­tion of oxy­gen in the water and not in the air (which the fish labyrinth could use).
In my opin­ion some of the fish trans­ported over sea in too small con­tainer died because their water got loss of oxy­gen.
And — how should the fish use their labyrinth in breath­ing bags? As far as I know they are to be filled com­pletely with water?
In my opin­ion, the “tra­di­tional” small con­tain­ers are just for use when in plane. If the fish have longer jour­neys over­land, they should be trans­ported other ways. And the nor­mal fish bags (per­haps if not labeled by fish indus­tries as mine I used for Ham­burg and which where ter­ri­ble) seem not very reli­able for longer times.
I think we should have a look at the breath­ing bags.

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Dorothee

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3 years 1 week ago #5714 by Peter Finke
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I and other Paro-​breeders have used both types of bagy with­out any dif­fer­ence — for Paros. With other fish there might be advan­tages of the breat­ing bags. And breath­ing atmos­pheric air by labyrinths is of course made safer with breath­ing bags. But it’s not nec­es­sary for Paros.

Best how­ever are small plas­tic con­tain­ers — e.g. small drink­ing water bot­tles or spe­cial con­tain­ers with big round cap — for one or at most two Paros each.

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3 years 1 week ago #5715 by 7 Zwerge
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And how many per­cent loss is “normal”?

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3 years 1 week ago #5716 by 7 Zwerge
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And I spoke about the oxy­gen in the water, not in the air …

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3 years 1 week ago #5717 by Russ Green
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I per­son­ally pre­fer to trans­port fish in the nor­mal bags filled with oxy­gen when­ever pos­si­ble. If iti had been pos­si­ble for me to deliver them per­son­ally, then they would have been packed like this in a large poly­styrene box.

Because the fish were being sent via the postal sys­tem there are restric­tions in both weight and size of the pack­age. Also, the courier and postal sys­tem dont carry live fish.Therefore we needed to use the small­est and light­est size pos­si­ble. Nor­mal fish bags would have made the pack­age too large and add the risk of the water being heard slosh­ing around when moved.
I hadn’t con­sid­ered small plas­tic screw top con­tain­ers, but they may be an option in the future.

As I said, they are not my pre­ferred way to trans­port fish. But they are an option if space and weight is a problem.

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3 years 6 days ago #5718 by Bill
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Sorry for my delay in get­ting back to this thread.
This was my first expe­ri­ence of receiv­ing fish in breath­able bags. But not my first expe­ri­ence of receiv­ing fish by this deliv­ery method. While there is no sci­en­tific evi­dence for any­thing I relate may I add my own obser­va­tions?
Fish arriv­ing in “nor­mal” bags usu­ally arrived a lit­tle stressed, except for fight­ers, they usu­ally set­tle down imme­di­ately on arrival and spawn within 2 days due to the change in water chem­istry I would assume. Other Gourami and Betta species often arrive a lit­tle stressed and require a week or two to set­tle. The Paros, how­ever, seemed to be not phased in the slight­est. They were under the leaves in the bag when unpacked but imme­di­ately came out of the leaves and appeared very calm. On intro­duc­tion to their tanks the Paros remained calm and not in the slight­est bit timid. They feed and swim around, they don’t hide very often and I see them every day and can see they are happy and con­tent.
I’m not going to claim that this was down to the breath­able bags because, as I said, this was my first expe­ri­ence with those type of bags. It may, in fact, be down to the nat­ural dis­po­si­tion of the Paros.
In con­trast, a friend, around the same time, received some Betta species from the UK which were, for some inex­plic­a­ble rea­son, held for 24 hours longer than they should have been, they were in “nor­mal” bags, all 8 fish died within 48 hrs of arrival, I think 2 were dead on arrival. My feel­ing is, if they had been in breath­able bags they may well have sur­vived their delay. I don’t think for one moment that it was poor pack­ing by the ven­dor, but the delay. I think breath­able bags may help any fish if they were to be sub­ject to a delay by postal/​courier ser­vices.
The Paros are grow­ing and colour­ing up nicely, the juve­niles in par­tic­u­lar. A male P. phoeni­cu­rus is prac­tic­ing his courtship rit­u­als and so is one of the male P. nagyi. I wish all fish could arrive so happy and con­tent.
Bill

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