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7 years 10 months ago #1664 by Svert­ing
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7 years 9 months ago 7 years 9 months ago #1721 by Svert­ing
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Hi again. I have a ques­tion about anto­her setup I am going to set up :P.

Don’t kill me after read­ing the ques­tion! Read the whole thing.



My sis­ter wanted me to reor­ga­nize the 112litres tank we have. She wanted to have betta splen­dens, oth­ers were for me to decide. After buy­ing the Betta it came to me, that this one is extremely docile. He isn’t even try­ing to show off before the mir­ror! So I thought… If I could plant an awful lot of the Cryp­to­co­ryne wendtii, cover it with a canopy of sev­eral big­ger roots, than I might be able to house (not breed, for this I have other tanks) for some time a small group of Paros, at least until thęy reach the puberty and become fer­tile. What do You make of it?

The idea was to com­bine:

1+2 Betta splen­dens
20 Trigonos­tigma hen­geli
6 Pan­gio semi­cincta
one Aty­op­sis moluc­cen­sis
and 35 Parosphromenus.

The tank is 80×35×40 cm. There would be a layer of sand, later enriched with home bred(!) tubifex. About 13 Of aquar­ium would be cov­ered in Cryp­to­co­ryne wendtii, a one nice Cer­atopteris in the back­ground. A bit of Cryp­to­co­ryne ret­ro­spi­ralis, and Hygrophila corym­bosa min­ima. So the bot­tom layer will be cov­ered pretty well! The float­ing cover will be cre­ated by Salvinia natans.

So what do you make of it?

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7 years 9 months ago 7 years 9 months ago #1722 by Ste­fanie
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First: Too many fish for my taste .….….…. (I have a 112-​liter-​tank, too. I keep 4 Pseu­dosphromenus dayi, 3 Dario dario and 12 Boraras brigit­tae in this (really amply planted) tank .….. thought about adding a pair of Tri­chogaster chuna, and decided to refrain from it .…. because I think the tank is full enough …)

Sec­ond: All your planned fish species aside from Parosphromenus like harder water .… 3° total hard­ness at min­i­mum. Maybe you can keep paros there — but will they feel com­fort­able? (Even if you don’t want to breed them — for me that’s a ques­tion of equal importance…)
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7 years 9 months ago 7 years 9 months ago #1723 by Svert­ing
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I am not sure where do You get this 3* info from. Hen­geli lives along­side Betta coc­cina, (0-​10dh). Pan­gio semi­cincta was found along­side Choco­late gouramies, which live with Parosphromenus in Kali­man­tan Barat.

I have 8 Paros, 16 Boraras in 70 litres, and it’s not over­crowded. The amount of fish you can safely and com­fort­ably put into the tank depends almost solely on the skill to cre­ate hideo­tus, bro­ken lines of sight etc. 16 is a bit to much, I’d pre­fer 12, but it’s not that awfull. When they get scared they form a school­ing group and they look ok.

Now the ques­tion of the water hard­e­ness. From what I’ve read in this forum and the site itself I came to think, that the most impor­tant is the 0 KH. The vary­ing pH of sev­eral suc­ces­ful spawn­ings may point: KH should equal 0, an GH should be as low as it goes. But I doubt that hav­ing the GH even up to 8 ( I want it to be around 35) is bad. It’s just not ideal for breed­ing. The leafs falling into the water have some min­er­als. Than they are eaten by shrimps and/​or get dis­solved n the water. There is SOME min­eral con­tent. Low, but still. These few micro-​siemens in the water con­duc­tiv­ity are com­ing from somewhere.

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7 years 9 months ago #1724 by Ste­fanie
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Svert­ing wrote: From what I’ve read in this forum and the site itself I came to think, that the most impor­tant is the 0 KH. The vary­ing pH of sev­eral suc­ces­ful spawn­ings may point: KH should equal 0, an GH should be as low as it goes. But I doubt that hav­ing the GH even up to 8 ( I want it to be around 35) is bad.


I doubt that you suc­ceed in hav­ing a kH of 0 when hav­ing a gH of around 8 .….… And with a higher kH it gets more dif­fi­cult to have a low pH

The amount of fish you can safely and com­fort­ably put into the tank depends almost solely on the skill to cre­ate hideo­tus, bro­ken lines of sight etc.


That sounds as if there was no lim­i­ta­tion of the quan­tity of fishes in a tank — as long as there are enough plants and obstructed view.….. But some­where there is a limit — and I reach it much ear­lier than you, obvi­ously .….….…. Still no def­i­n­i­tion of right or wrong .….

Hen­geli lives along­side Betta coc­cina, (0-​10dh). Pan­gio semi­cincta was found along­side Choco­late gouramies, which live with Parosphromenus in Kali­man­tan Barat.


You asked

So what do you make of it?


but does another opin­ion really have any influ­ence on your deci­sion? You appear to be already con­vinced of your plan .…

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7 years 9 months ago #1725 by bart­ian
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All your planned fish species aside from Parosphromenus like harder water

? These fish all share their habi­tat with paros en Betta, except for the shrimp. These come from swiftly flow­ing streams, thus mak­ing a strange com­bi­na­tion with the fish. Wouldn’t do that myself.

I agree with Svert­ing. Paros can live in tap water and even prove quite hardy. The only thing is they’ll never colour up like they would in acidic water, plus they won’t breed.

KH is a pH buffer. With a mea­sur­able KH, pH will never get low. This is the rea­son KH is always 0 in acidic tanks, whether pH is 3 or 5. I don’t think KH is of much rel­e­vance besides keep­ing pH up. There must be some other fac­tors, maybe includ­ing luck.

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