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3 years 1 month ago 3 years 1 month ago #6051 by mar­tin
Hello , read­ing Your posts I started to think about what’s our ( P-​P ) goal is .. I mean at the begin­ing I had a feel­ing that we are happy when any Parosphromenus species is avail­able in any of importer’s tank . The rea­son is — only in this way this taxon can be avail­able to as many aquar­ists as pos­si­ble , not only P-​P mem­bers…
I have doubts in fact that any col­lec­tor can destroy some pop­u­la­tion by catch­ing fishes .. spe­cially Parosphromenus fishes . You can not cach many of them at one time, You need to spend a lot of time ( = money) to cach the fishes and You are no sure that all of them will sur­vive . Cater­pil­lars destroyed Parosphromenus habi­tats — not col­lec­tors … or I’m wrong .…( I’m open for diss­cu­sion or we can have it in our meet­ing ..:) )
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3 years 1 month ago #6052 by 7 Zwerge
Indeed, we seem to have a dilemma here. Col­lec­tors may not destroy but heav­ily dis­turb. And the fish will suf­fer on their way through trade. And they will die at nor­mal aquar­ists — they will not care for the water para­me­ters, for­get to change the water and feed dry food.

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Dorothee

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3 years 1 month ago #6053 by mar­tin
Hello , ok I under­stand. So may by the goal is to import only min­i­mum quan­tity of fish from their nat­ural habi­tats and do it by the expiri­enced per­sons . And then breed them ( as many as we can) and spread widely among every aquar­ist who want to chal­lenge with Parosphromenus.. Few of them will get Parosphromenus ” dis­ease” and we have one more breeder .…
I think it make sense .…

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3 years 1 month ago #6054 by chrisne84
Hello,
I have to agree with martin’s reply/​opinion. Paros shouldn’t be imported com­mer­cial any­more. I guess that’s the opin­ion off mostly all mem­bers of PP.
We should only import Paros in small num­bers pri­vate by our own dur­ing vaca­tions or with the help of native paro friends there. Then we have to breed how much as we can. But about sev­eral prob­lems we have/​had with that we dis­cussed a lot of times. Some­times we need more or new fish to get a feel­ing for breed­ing and of course for fight­ing against inbreed­ing.

When I rec­og­nized Parosphromenus the first time about 1015 year ago I had my first chances to get them in the igl’s forum. I still happy about that Plat­tform! Nearly the same hard­core peo­ple were active like in the PP today. At this time, com­par­ing to today, I had the feel­ing that Paros were more avail­able in com­mer­cial trade. The paro friends were happy if they found some species in trade but also angry and sad about the same prob­lems we talk about today. Most of them died in the tanks because nobody was inter­ested and they lived in wrong water with wrong food.
There­fore it would be the best if it’s not allowed to deal com­mer­cial with Paros any­more! It should help to keep the last indi­vid­u­als of rar species in their more and more destroyed habi­tats.
But that’s only one point of the prob­lems to keep alive this fishes.

On the other hand we all know about the dam­age of the habi­tats.
To my mind that’s the other point mar­tin is talk­ing about.
What could we do if the habi­tats and species are lost com­pletely? Maybe we will have some indi­vid­u­als in our tanks and go on breed­ing them. It’s the same with a lot of rar Bet­tas. We will never know when will be the last chance to get some indi­vid­u­als of a rar species from the small habi­tats. Maybe we think we should pro­tect all fish there but one day there will be no more fish any­more to catch again for breed­ing.
But what will be the aim of PP then? I was not into that topic a lot of years and don’t know what ideas were dis­cussed in the PP.
To my mind we don’t have a real sym­bol like Orang Utan or Panda. Nobody knows about this fishes and the prob­lems. That’s a real prob­lem!
Bernd told about a meet­ing with seal­ife for try­ing to arrange a exhi­bi­tion about Parosphromenus. What hap­pened to that? That’s a good way to make this topic more com­mer­cial. But for most of the humans Paros will just be a “fish” like thou­sands of oth­ers. They don’t look cute and seem to spe­cial like Orang Urans.
I don’t know, but did we try to develop rela­tion­ships with zoos to start breed­ing Pro­gramms with exhi­bi­tion tanks?
Maybe it sounds a lit­tle bit naive but most breed­ing Pro­gramms started like that. Will be a aim cul­ti­vat­ing off­spring of lost species in new habi­tats?

A lot of ques­tions, opin­ions and ideas
just for discussing.

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3 years 1 month ago #6059 by helene
I would like to just answer shortly regard­ing Sea life and other attempts at engag­ing Zoos in breed­ing pro­grams. Sea life is as far as know still hap­pen­ing and is under plan­ning just now. There will be some more infor­ma­tion about this in Ham­burg in Sep­tem­ber.
There has been some con­tact with Chester Zoo, UK, which orig­i­nally was very promis­ing, — and it may still be, but at this moment there is really noth­ing very con­crete, and it does seem to me to be a pro­ces which really takes a long time, and is dif­fi­cult. But we have cer­tainly expe­ri­enced some pos­i­tiv­ity from dif­fer­ent insti­tu­tions.

You men­tion about ‘sym­bol’ — as the orang­utang etc. This issuse we have also been talk­ing about, and it is true, it would be help­ful.
What has been talked about, and intro­duced by Chris­t­ian Kop­pitz, and some fel­low uni­ver­sity stu­dents, who also will present their thoughts in Ham­burg, — is that it may be help­ful to link the sit­u­a­tion of the parosphromenus species to the whole prob­lem and tragedie of the peatswamps in south­east asia, bor­neo.
This whole sit­u­a­tion is glob­ally known, and many peo­ple are aware of it, and need to become aware of it. The paros, and the ‘fight’ for the paro species could be seen as very closely linked to this sit­u­a­tion. By link­ing these together the seri­ous­ness of the dan­ger to the paros, could become more clear in many ways.

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3 years 1 month ago #6060 by chrisne84
Hello Helene,

thank you very much for your expla­na­tions. As you men­tioned con­nect­ing the prob­lems of loos­ing Parosphromenus with the destroy­ing of the habi­tats in Bor­neo with all their rar species can be the only way to pro­tect our Paros.
That it will be a long way work­ing together with zoos and more com­mer­cial com­pa­nies like seal­ife I agree. I’m excited what will hap­pen to this idea with seal­ife.

Chris

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