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2 years 10 months ago #6107 by bderooij
I get it, and there will be a breed­ing sta­tion in the near future, if it doesn’t work out in the large tank they will move to a ded­i­cated tank rather sooner than later.

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2 years 10 months ago 2 years 10 months ago #6108 by parosphr
I think I am read­ing between the lines, that you may not think it is easy to keep the small tanks — and I admit, with other species I may also have had the expe­ri­ences of end­less prob­lems with waterqual­ity, too much food, etc etc — but really in paro-​aquaristic you will find that it is not really near as prob­lem­atic.
Breed­ing paros mean you have one tank with two (very small) fish, male and female. You dont feed of course dry food, or frozen food, — you feed live food, and you dont feed very much (thats an impor­tant point of course). Paros dont need a lot of food. So you dont have heeps of too much food rot­ting. Even the fry, you feed them microworm for exam­ple, — in a small tank they will find the microworms even if you dont over­feed the whole tank.
If you need to change some water, you use a small tube, you dont of course vac­uum the bot­tom at all, you change water care­fully and its fine.
In a small tank once you see the male in the cave with the eggs, you can more eas­ily catch the female out care­fully, and then the male with stay with his duties untill the eggs have devel­oped and after a week and a half, he will no longer be needed.
From that point on, even in a small 12 liter tank, you will think you have no fry at all. You dont see them, for weeks per­haps, they are that small. But they are prob­a­bly there, — and you just keep adding a lit­tle bit of microworms, — and after a few weeks or even before, a lit­tle bit of artemia. Per­haps after two weeks one day you sud­denly spot one 2 mm. fry sneak­ing out to get an artemia.

In a big tank, — you will never see the fry. They may of course sur­vive, a few, — then you will sud­denly in two months time see a 1 cm long fish, and you will be quite sur­prised, because you were cer­tain there wer­ent any.
Per­haps you can take out the cave from the big­ger tank and trans­fer to a smaller, per­haps. I would think that was a risky oper­a­tion.
And :) … I dont want to con­tin­u­ally take away your opti­mism, but to catch a paro in 240 planted or dec­o­rated tank — :S :dry: :whistle:

I would — in your case — as you are get­ting fish from Bernd, have a seper­ate cer­tain pair, put these into a small tank, — if you have no space you can have them on top of the big tank :) .. I do that because of lack of space. Try with the rest in the big tank and see how it works there. Then when you have fry from the cou­ple, put the pair also in the tank if it works well.

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2 years 10 months ago #6109 by bderooij
Basi­cally what you all are say­ing is: Don’t buy paro’s if you’re going to put them in a 200 liter tank?

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2 years 10 months ago #6110 by parosphr
Hmm … well, I didnt excatly mean that. I appre­ci­ate you have done a lot of prepa­ra­tion, and are doing great research.
But it is a large tank for paros, — it really is. It may be fine, but breed­ing will be dif­fi­cult, I really think so.
If they can­not go into the big tank, will you then not think about paros then ?

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2 years 10 months ago #6111 by bderooij
Be aware, long text ;) (I’m a writer in my spare time, sorry…)

No, I will keep think­ing about Paro’s, ever I first read about the species I was think­ing of a way to keep them and breed them.
Besides the big tank I already had some ten­ta­tive plans to make a lit­tle breed­ing sta­tion, I have a lit­tle cor­ner in our bed­room where I spend time with my other hobby (elec­tron­ics), which will be redone in a few months. I was think­ing of putting up a rack where I can place a few small tanks to breed some fish and most prob­a­bly this will be 2 or 3 dif­fer­ent species of Paro’s. But before that can hap­pen I want to fin­ish the big tank first.
The tank was built with Paro’s as the most impor­tant inhab­i­tant, and mainly because of Paro’s I went with the Bor­neo biotope but if every­body here advises against keep­ing them there I will prob­a­bly try to find a dif­fer­ent fish that would ‘work’ in there and push out the Paro plans for another 6 to 12 months.
It would be a shame, but I don’t want to do dam­age to the hard work of the peo­ple who are breed­ing these fish so they can be pre­served.

It cer­tainly isn’t the case that I don’t want Paro’s if they can’t be in the big tank, but they are a big part of the plan for this project. I didn’t get the feel­ing from the lit­er­a­ture about Paro’s I found that they where so frag­ile that com­pe­ti­tion from small barb sorts for exam­ple would be an issue.
I adjusted my plans after Bernd’s advice to not com­bine them, for exam­ple, with Betta albi­mar­ginata (which already proved to be even more dif­fi­cult to find than the Paro’s, even our local fish store has some Paro’s at the moment, can’t tell you which species, as they are labelled Deiss­neri).

For me, right now it is like this:
If you advise against hold­ing Paro’s in the big tank, I will prob­a­bly recon­sider about that. You peo­ple are the experts, if you say it can’t/shouldn’t be done, I will have to respect that.
If you say it can be done but might not be the best choice, I think I will try it and see if I can have some suc­cess. I have already thought of sys­tems to bring the food close to where they stay in the tank (from what I’ve seen and read Paro’s usu­ally find a cor­ner in some big­ger tanks and remain there, so some­thing can be made) and try to keep a close eye on the caves for any spawn­ing activ­ity.

Again, I don’t want to negate the hard work that is being done in breed­ing these fish by buy­ing 3 pairs only for them to die off because I did not treat them in the way it should be done.

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2 years 10 months ago #6112 by bderooij
Oh, and plac­ing a small tank on top of the big one: I don’t think my lids will hold that ;) I made a cus­tom cover for the tank as it is quite old and the orig­i­nal tube light­ing sys­tem was rusted. I put up a cus­tom build (by me) LED sys­tem above the tank that gives me yel­low­ish light and can dim auto­mat­i­cally.
Plus, a third tank in the liv­ing room would not be appre­ci­ated by my wife, I think. If I do that, it will be in the bedroom.

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