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2 years 3 months ago #6100 by bderooij
Thank you, Rafael,

Actu­ally I am going for the allani.
My tank is a Bor­neo biotope and I would like to keep it as cor­rect as pos­si­ble,
I have been plan­ning this tank for over a year, but up until recently I couldn’t man­age to cre­ate an account here, for some rea­son it was rejected or didn’t go through. I e-​mailed the admin but didn’t get a reply.
I had ornat­i­cauda on my list, but Bernd told me that was going to be a dis­as­ter, so I fol­lowed his guid­ance.
He came up with allani first and then har­veyi but since they are from penin­su­lar Malaysia I think I will stay with allani.
Maybe that will still change but I guess I will see when I visit Bernd in Ham­burg. My brother is dri­ving, we’ll have a long over­due broth­ers­day ;)

I have never bred in a breed­ing setup, nor will I do so with the Paro’s, as I love the idea of a nat­ural envi­ron­ment.
In the past I have bred many live bear­ing fish, as well as a good amount of barbs, Cory­do­ras and labyrinth fish. In my com­mu­nity tank that I have since four years I have had suc­ces­ful off­spring from Cory­do­ras palea­tus and Tri­chogaster chuna.

This tank is my first black­wa­ter tank, I have wanted one for a long time but never had the oppor­tu­nity to do it the right way so I didn’t do it at all.

For the Paro’s I will ofcourse take more care, and move any free swim­ming fry to a float­ing setup inside the big tank, so they will have a chance to grow up and I will try to dis­trib­ute the fish to other enthu­si­asts.
Maybe in the future (if my wife agrees to it, the new tank took me about a year until she agreed ;) ) I will make a rack setup with 2 or three dif­fer­ent Paro species as I have com­pletely fallen for these amaz­ing lit­tle crea­tures.

I will cer­tainly stay in touch, even though the com­mu­nity here doesn’t seem to be very active, I have learned a lot from the top­ics that are already here.

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2 years 3 months ago #6101 by RafEg
Hey,

Sorry, haha I was wrong with the species :)

Well that sounds great! I also try to keep the paros in nat­ural envi­ron­ments with plenty of wood and leaves. I have made the expe­ri­ence that in such a tank as long as it is large enough you dont even have to iso­late juve­niles to raise them suc­cess­fully. Of course some are going to dis­ap­pear and usu­ally as long as there is a bunch of young fishes no new babies will sur­vive because of food con­cur­rence between the larger youn­sters and the newly hatched. Also I often only realise there is fry when they are already rea­son­ably large and out of the most dif­fi­cult days. Some 5mm fish do not need iso­la­tion from the old­ers since they are too big and can flee pretty well from poten­tial can­ni­bal­is­tic tank­mates. I am look­ing for­wards to read­ing from your expe­ri­ences.


Yeah the forum has bevome quiet in the past months. But I think there are still plenty of peo­ple read­ing and i. The near future I guess some of the results from the meet­ing at Ham­burg from the past week­end will appear here so I am con­fi­dent there is going to be more activity

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2 years 3 months ago #6102 by bderooij
So I’m not the only one not hav­ing a 20 or 30 liter tank for the Paro’s? That’s great! ;)


This is the tank I want to keep them in, it’s 240 liters. There is going to be some smaller fish with it and I was hop­ing to keep Betta albi­mar­ginata along with the Paro’s but Bernd advised me not to since they will prob­a­bly eat all the fry.
I might recon­sider those, then.
I still have a bit to think about every­thing, the tank won’t run away!

I hope to see more peo­ple here and learn from all of you, even though I have had aquar­i­ums for quite a long time I still do not con­sider myself an expert, espe­cially not with these spe­cial species.
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2 years 3 months ago #6104 by helene
I think its a beau­ti­ful tank, com­pli­ments to that.
It is a really big tank for parosphromenus, — and the dis­ad­van­tage of that is that although breed­ing may take place, it will be really dif­fi­cult to man­age. Feed­ing the fry for one will be very dif­fi­cult, you will not at all be able to tar­get any paro fry with food. And food you will add will be so small that the fry wont really have a chance to find it.
Sec­ondly, although I believe that paros actu­ally thrive well in big­ger tanks and also thrive in small flocks, — they will dis­s­ap­pear in this size tank.

As you may have found here on these pages, — we most often advice peo­ple that the idea of hav­ing paros is not for the pur­pose of dis­play. Being so rare and threa­thened in nature we have an oblig­a­tion to attempt to breed them, and for this its too big really.
Once you have many, — which also hap­pens, — as I have for exam­ple with linkei at the moment, hav­ing per­haps 100, and with dif­fi­cul­ties in find­ing other peo­ple who need them, — it makes per­haps some sense to also have paros in a ‘dis­play’ tank. But I would then always keep at least 3 pairs seper­ated for breed­ing, so that I will never be in the sit­u­a­tion where I sud­denly have no fish left, — even if a dis­as­ter hap­pens in the big tank.
My biggest tank for paros would be 60 liter.
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2 years 3 months ago #6105 by bderooij
I under­stand the rea­son­ing behind this. The idea is to put a few ‘caves’ in the tank, I was look­ing at savu pods since they look very nat­ural and even help man­age water qual­ity the same way cat­appa leaves do.
Once I notice spawn­ing has taken place and the eggs have come out I will put the cave in a float­ing con­tainer to keep it in the same water qual­ity and tem­per­a­ture so I can eas­ily feed the fry and raise them.
I know this is not the pref­ered way, but I think it is worth a try.
Once I am fully com­fort­able with the species I would like to build a rack in a quiet room in the house and breed one or two dif­fer­ent species there.
I have had a few smaller tanks in the past and always had trou­ble keep­ing the waterqual­ity good enough.

If I don’t man­age to breed the fish in the larger tank I will take them out and place them in smaller tanks sooner, but this will take some con­vinc­ing at home as well ;)

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2 years 3 months ago #6106 by RafEg
Hi
Well deah that tank is huge for paros… we know from some reports that such an idea can work but not nec­es­sar­ily with breed­ing. One of the points that seem impor­tant to me is the idea of keep­ing other species with the paros. This I would not advise you to do or at least not in the begin­ning until you have made expe­ri­ences with breed­ing and more impor­tantly rais­ing paros. Other fish such as boraras are very active in hunt­ing food. Paros are not. Some­times the artemia or what­ever you might want to feed seem like they had to swim into their mouth before they will catch it. Of course there is a cer­tain hunt­ing instinct but the smaller and quicker fish are likely to eat every­thing before the paros even start feed­ing.

Nev­er­the­less this is a beau­ti­ful tank!

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