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  • #8637
    amit
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    Hello

    My first paro’s spawning 🙂
    I’m very excited.

    I have a group of paro’s (probably deissneri).
    Following the good advice I have been given (https://www.parosphromenus-project.org/en/forum/4-Breeding/1670-how-to-create-a-pair-from-a-group.html) I seperated a pair to a 13 liter breeding tank with lots of moss and half a coconut shell as a spawning nest.

    The water were from the main tank: soft, but not soft enough for breeding.
    I have made a 75% water change (very slowly) with pure rain water, and added oak leaves.
    Just as I finished the water change, I noticed the male stays inside the coco cave.
    I looked inside with a fleshlight, and was surprised to find eggs.
    I did not think it will be so quick – they are in their new tank only four days!!!

    Now, it’s been 30 hours since I spotted the eggs, and the male still guards them.
    None has hatched.
    The eggs are white and cloudy.
    In all other species of fish I have bred through the years (mainly cichlids), the good eggs are clear, and the dead ones are cloudy.

    Are cloudy white eggs o.k?
    Is 30 hours to long for them to hatch(temp is 25 C)?

    Tahnks

    #8645
    Rafael Eggli
    Participant

    Hi,

    Congratulations to this success!!

    Could you try to take some pictures of your paros, especially of displaying males. I think deissneri is one of the most important species and we don’t have any of them in stock at the moment. If your animals are deissneri, we have to make sure this stock will survive! Deissneri is one of the species with the most “history” because the first species that was to be described was described as deissneri. However, it seems that many variants of any paro-species are called deissneri by the trade…

    Now to your question:
    As far as I experienced, paro-eggs are often of a “dusty” coloration thus, not clear at all. So this “milky” color can very well be normal. Since the eggs are now already more than one day old, they should slowly start to show a fine greyish line which is the embryo. If they are fertilized, of course. But since the male still keeps them and tends them, I do not see any reason they should not be. I would advise you to just wait some more days. They should soon hatch and maybe, they will survive in your tank.

    Good luck!!!

    Rafael

    #8646
    Peter Finke
    Participant

    Rafael, we need no pictures. These fish are certainly not deissneri. P. deissneri has up to now never been traded. Of course, there may be one first, but it is entirely unlikely. There are no commercial fish-cathcers working on the island of Bangka, and deissneri is endemic on Bangka. We must fetch this fine species some day anew from there ourselves. The trade will not do it for us. They will go on to call all Parosphromenus “deissneri” still for years to come …

    The greyish colour indicates that the larvae have hatched; they hatch depending on temperature after 24 hours at the latest. Then they look like somewhat longish eggs, but the care of the male indicates that everything is allright. Meanwhile the tails of the lavae must be recognizable and probably have changed the colour to a more blackish appearance.

    Non-fertilized eggs soon became stuck with funghi an will be picked out by the caring father fish. This is the reason why he does it and why we are nearly never successful by a full-artificial care without the male fish. This would mean constant supervision by a looking-glass over days and the picking out of the damaged eggs one after one by hand and a pair of tweezers. The male immediately stops caring the eggs or the young if something has went wrong. As long as he does not do this, everything is allright.

    #8648
    amit
    Participant

    well, he is still in the coco cave, and the eggs do appear to be more long, and grey.
    I hppe it is a good sign.

    As for the species, I bought it as deissneri, but I’m not sure it is true.

    The fish have no red coloration at all – only black/white/blue.
    Caudal is perfectly round.
    Body itself has typical black/white horizontal stripes.
    Unpaired fins have iridiscent blue stipes.
    Pectorals are iridiscent blue.
    Dorsal fin is rather long – it reaches the base of the caudal.
    No spots or dots at all.

    According to the photos on the species guide, it may be: gunawani / harveyi / deissneri / bintan.

    At the store, where I bought the fish, they had about 100 pieces, all at the same size (juvenile) – a good sign for tank bred fish.

    I’ll try to take picture later on…

    #8650
    amit
    Participant

    I can see the tails 🙂

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