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  • #8766
    Joshua Morgan
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    ‘ello all! Being the ambitious fellow that I am, I am considering starting my licorice gourami keeping in a few months with P. parvulus…it helps that it’s one of the few species I can find someone able to acquire them 🙂 (a certain msjinkzd…very responsible person, she only sells them to people who absolutely know what they are doing and does not put them on her normal stocking list). Anyhow, have any tips for this species and its close relative P. ornaticauda? I understand they need exceedingly soft (microsiemens below 40…about 25 ppm tds or less in my usage), very acidic water, a longer tank (the tank in question is a 50 cm tank that is just over half filled), and the males tend to inexplicably lose their small clutches. Would putting a black sheet over the tank for a couple weeks after spawning is observed help make the males less likely to abandon their offspring, or would removing it for feeding and tank maintenance sabotage that idea?

    #8767
    Peter Finke
    Participant

    God almighty, I never met somebody who started with P. parvulus and conceives to continue with P. ornaticauda. I definitely think this is the wrong attitude; you should not do this. Without any experience with fish by far more easier to keep and breed it is wrong to behave like a courageous sportsman. Come down and start with linkei or paludicola or filamentosus or even quindecim, then – if successful – move forward to tweediei or phoenicurus or harveyi, then try the next step with alfredi or even sumatranus. But you should not begin with parvulus. Only after having collected some decent practical experience you should try that. Paro-breeding is not a game, it’s not a mere demonstration of courage. It’s a serious thing with endangered species involved. You are not almighty as you name yourself.

    #8768
    Joshua Morgan
    Participant

    Oh dear…didn’t mean to start any heart attacks here! :ohmy: Sorry for even suggesting that…I’ll stick with an easier species then. Still…if you want licorice gouramies to breed, would the ‘covering the tank’ idea be useful?

    (PS…for those who are concerned about my sanity, I know I’m not almighty…I just don’t want all my usernames to be exactly the same 🙂 )

    #8769
    helene schoubye
    Keymaster

    Hi there.

    In my experience it is not ‘common’ for paros to loose their clucthes of eggs, and its not a particular feature with certain species. If it happens, there could be many reasons why, – main thing the composition of the water. Also, leaving a cave is not a thing which could be more connected to one species than the other.
    In my experience p. parvulus for example perhaps could even be one of the species which stays very much in the cave once they have taken one. Male paros are really excellent parents in most cases, staying paitiently with the eggs untill they hatch and staying patiently with the small fry untill these become too eager free swimming and leave the cave. At that point, – there nothing even a good parent fish can do, – the fry leave the cave, and they are pretty vulnerable if there are any other fish in the tank, sometimes even just the other parent is a threat.
    So no matter what species you may be having, the idea of darkening the tank, to me is not really that helpful. But of course, – with a paro tank you would always be talking about a rather dark tank, with little light, and perhaps a lot of floating plants which would hinder light. And that is definitely a good thing, – small fry needs a good protecting for sure.

    And just for the record, – I understand that your username is just a username 🙂 ..
    Keep asking questions about all the things which may be new to you, – this is how we learn things.

    Its seems you live in America, – I find it interesting if you do indeed have someone over there who can supply parvulus, – even if it may be true it can be a challenging species (mainly in terms of being successfull with the breeding, eggs needs really lower ph than other species) – but its interesting if someone does have parvulus in US. I know that a user here, Ted, used to have it, but then it dissappeared, – and we tried to send some when Bill little was here in Hamburg, – I am not sure we succeeded. But I know another person in US who wanted very much to aquire parvulus, (David Jones) – so even if you decide to wait a little, its really valuable information, and I would like to follow it a bit if possible. It must somehow be possible to get in contact with the breeder you are mentioning, ? it doesnt seem one I know. You can write me a private message if you like regarding name and perhaps an email. I find it really interesting 🙂

    🙂 .. correction, – I actually have found the person you are mentioning, – and she is also a member of P-P.

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