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[quote=”Peter Finke” post=4237] Telling the real name, the town and the actual stock is for some people not attractive but the exact contrary. [/quote]
Is it necessary to tell the real name and living place on the internet? I think it would be sufficient to be contactable via PN. All you need to announce is your stock which is ready to be given away to interested members. Personal data can be exchanged via PN.
I hope I am not being misunderstood 🙂 … I just wanted to say, that ideas about how to perhaps make profiles more flexible for indiviuals to fill in, are ideas which we are looking at, and I am hoping that we will be able to realise some of this soon.
I was however not talking about a new feature, or introducing any new set way for people to report stocks or something like that. I am not aware of a ‘new feature’ as such, only a possibility of making profiles more flexible and usable, of course by individual choice.
We are not introducing something which would force people to report things they dont want to report or any such thing. And we are not thinking of replacing any kind of Census, – only improve peoples ability to communicate together IF they would like to.
I think that it would be good, – even our PM system is not very ‘user-friendly’ (I often dont see the tiny envelope) and I am hoping this can be improved as well.So this idea I do not think so good, that has something more of a sales platform. We want to reach the seriously want to breed, not the ones that sell the animals for “lot of money”, which is then safe lead. I’m going this weekend 400 Km drive around Paros to bring to a transfer, then they are brought to Lithuania, our first Paros in Lithuania there are bred and distributed to other breeders. Travel expenses breeding effort since leaving nothing, not even must have again made a man happy. Also for the price we have discussed in Parosproject one will have nothing left is just a hobby, it’s fun and I am glad that it works well and I can leave the animals to interested. But in principle it does not matter if someone can get this “lot of money” be it happy for him, I will in the future to a person only emit small amounts of animals that need to be bred to give them further. Maybe we could publish on the home page which species are bred at the time, but without a name and amount that would eventually wake up a little more interest in Paros :huh:
[quote=”Bernd Bussler” post=4243]So this idea I do not think so good, that has something more of a sales platform. We want to reach the seriously want to breed, not the ones that sell the animals for “lot of money”, [/quote]
No, Bernd, I think you got the aims of those who propagate the possibility to offer their offspring here at the forum completely wrong.
It really offends me to read your assumption that we want to “sell the animals for a lot of money” to whomever. Fact is that some have a real lot of young paros – and no one is ever contacted via the project’s distribution to give some of their paro offspring to interested persons. And the other way round – in my experience it is not very effective to try to get paro offspring of other members via the distribution service. So the idea is to reach those paro enthusiasts ourselves – to offer what can be given away via the project, at the same prices which are agreed for the forum – 15 €/pair. And to maybe find someone who is willing to give away some of his offspring to members of the forum. I am really annoyed by your assumption that this is a way to make money using a selling platform!I personally put the aims of the project in question – just because I experience myself and hear from others that we happily breed paros – to at last sit there with a lot of offspring and no interested persons. And we do not breed paros to have lots of offspring in crowded tanks, do we?
So – what’s wrong with saying what paro species you could give away – only here, in the forum, only readable for members? If this leads to a better distribution of young fish between the members of the forum – well, that’s one of the aims of the project, isn’t it?
I really don’t like to be addressed as someone who randomly distributes valuable fish to make “lots of money” – just making a suggestion to better distribute our offspring within the project.I’ve got more versions add a comment about Stefanie.
I bekome stomach pain on this topic. If we can sell a mediator without the animals there is a possibility that a few try to take advantage of the have too many animals tightened some breeders and do not know where to put it. Would you buy stocks and sell.
Also, I would like to receive as a breeder not hundreds of emails with merchant.
I breed Paros and do not have time to answer 100 emails every day. Better one knows where the animals are raised and taught. So I have no stomach pain since the intermediary can already find out whether it is a serious “New breeders” can be.
Otherwise, came before the idea of a central sanctuary to judge a good idea. but who wants to do it, who has so much space when I’m retired time I would think about whether I could do it …………… from morning to night fish pack and ship ……….. so the hobby makes it fun right? :SOh ,oh …. I didn’t plan to initiate such a discussion …. as well I don’t think that anyone will be able to make “much money” with our little Paros…. and we all hope, when we give them away to members that they will have a good life ….
I get stomach ache when I read a P.phoenicurus “breeding” project-report on “my fish org” in basic water and industrial food … and when I tell it to the webmasters, they tell me that the site readers shall discuss this with each other and that some former breeding projects had good results with unusual methods …. :pinch:Yes this discussion I had already heard before, but until now there was no ideas how this can be umgestezt. I think if there are serious prospects they are the “detour” via “parodistribution@parosphromenus-project.org” go and we will do everything for it to do so they can get their Paros …………… even if I have to go for 400 km. 🙂
[quote=”Bernd Bussler” post=4245]I’ve got more versions add a comment about Stefanie.
I bekome stomach pain on this topic. If we can sell a mediator without the animals there is a possibility that a few try to take advantage of the have too many animals tightened some breeders and do not know where to put it. Would you buy stocks and sell.
Also, I would like to receive as a breeder not hundreds of emails with merchant.
I breed Paros and do not have time to answer 100 emails every day. [/quote]I do not have the impression that you got the suggestion right ………… How can you think about getting hundreds of emails?? If you tell only us, here in the forum (not visible for anyone who is no member of the project) about which species of paro you can actually give away – how could it be that you get hundreds of mails?? You would probably get an email from, e.g., me “hello, Bernd, I just read that you have some P. ….. to give away, I would be rather interested in two pairs …” – where is the problem for you? You would only get requests from interested members of the project – not from any merchants, because your profile is not visible for non-members.
Now the mediator asks beforehand from a certain background knowledge and are only my address free and the interested party can contact me and gets his wish animals. I would also request background knowledge that would take time demanding that I could spend meaningful with my fish rather than sitting at the computer for hours and now I’m very happy times indeed. :woohoo:
Of course i understand Bernds objections. But with implementation in the members area i dont see there a problem.
I think give a chance this new feature. Perhaps inhibitions to contact a breeder can be reduced by this.
Anyone can decide for themselves whether and to what extent it participates.Now i must go downstairs – cleanest rains comes down at the moment – this i must catch. 😉
[quote=”Bernd Bussler” post=4258]Now the mediator asks beforehand from a certain background knowledge and are only my address free and the interested party can contact me and gets his wish animals. I would also request background knowledge that would take time demanding that I could spend meaningful with my fish rather than sitting at the computer for hours and now I’m very happy times indeed. :woohoo:[/quote]
My experience with a mediator is such that I would rather try to contact breeders by myself. I’m sorry.
I am member of the project since 2012, and I have got one single breeder address via the then mediator. In the meantime I have received every paro (and even Betta) species this breeder breeds ……… and I have had no success in getting further contact to breeders of other species via the mediator, although I asked. It was luck already to even get an answer …… Also, I have never been contacted by the mediator because possibly another project member showed interest in my fish.
I actually need some females of different species (had more male than female offspring), but would not like to get fish of the same breeders again – because it’s always the same breeding line from the same parents. This also can not be the aim of breeding paros – to have a shrinking genetic diversity due to inbreeding and inbreeding.
And I would like to keep maybe a paro species new to me ……….. I find it inconvenient to first write to a mediator, who then (after weeks and months, in my experience) gives me a phone number of a member on the other side of the republic without telling me which species this breeder keeps, and without knowing whether this breeder is willing to ship his fish. THIS results in too many emails – and is annoying if it doesn’t lead to a successful mediation.And I as a breeder myself would prefer to talk things over with an interested person by myself – not with a mediator I don’t know, who doesn’t know me, and with whom I have to talk things over – and then the same again with the breeder ………………How easy, if I could see in your profile “oh, Bernd has some P. spec. to give away”. I can think about whether I can keep this special species and so on, and then place my request. You know me from the forum (and if not – the mediator doesn’t know me, too – he also would be no help for you).
No – my experience with the mediator business is none too good …………..At this place in the discussion must be said, that the P.-P. has a new distribution team since the steering group met last time – I think we shall give them a chance! Also to say his opinion (he is one of the distributers 😉 ) …
Big discussion!
I am that lucky guy from Lithuania who was able to contactparodistribution@parosphromenus-project.org an got an answers, help. If everything will be ok, the first paros will swim at prepared tanks very soon. This moment I wait for 5 months now. Many thanks to Mr. Stephan Menzel and his wife, Mr. Bernd Bussler, Mr. Peter Finke for all help and confidence! I will try my best.
So I dont mind about new distribution team work. I am amazed – people who helps to introduce paros to my country are amazing! This is my impression.
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