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So .. the species is for sale in Copenhagen as well. Unfortunately I do not have any space, but I will go to the shop – if possible tomorrow and see if I can determine anything, maybe take a photo.
Anyone near Copenhagen – the shop is Bonnie in Rødovre Centrum.To the best of my knowledge these could well be p. gunawani.
(So I did buy six)
Its always hard to tell with scared fish in a bright sales tank, but they have a special ‘body or fin – shape’ – they have the blue lines, they do have a faint brownish/reddish colour in the fins… so ….
edit : they are not probably Gunawani 😉 unfortunately my id skills are inadequite
If nothing unforeseeable crosses my plans, I will go and get the ‘gunawani’ that found their way to my favorite shop today.
Maybe I can add some pictures then, too.@ Peter: What do think of Helene’s new fish? Do they look like gunawani to you?
Leaving for the shop in some minutes:
MichaelIt’s difficult to tell, but I do not think it’s gunawani:
1. The single male in the last picture seems to have the bright hyaline band in the dorsal fin rather close to the edge of the fin. Whereas it is quite typical for gunawani that it has this band lower down, and above – between that band and the narrow whitish line at the edge of the fin – a rather broad brownish-reddish band, which appears similarly on the anal fin. Unfortunately, the anal is nor realy to be seen at this photo.
2. The left male on the first photo might have that broad hyline band lower down, just as it is to be seen in the typical gunawani; maybe it’s an illusion because of the bad photo, or there are several fish mixed. This one at least could be gunawani.
3. Another typical feature of gunawani are the rather short ventrals. The colouring is quite allright, but especially the last shown single fish seems to have ventrals that are a bit too long. In typical gunawani the filament is not longer as the fin itself, perhaps a bit shorter (see our picture in the species section). This seems to be a bit longer.
But the determination is difficult with these photos. I think it’s not gunawani. I had them myself before.
Peter Finke (20.02.2014)A few more pics … I do see some brown in at least one of the males, a bit unsure about the other but otherwise they do look alike
The middle picture is not gunawani at least I am sure about that. The other male ?
But as Peter says the band in the fin is a bit high – but I wonder if that though could be due to young age ? The brown in the tail to me is quite clear, – and the other markings in the tail as well .. but I am no expert though 🙂 ..I have no experience with gunawani, but as far as I can see, these look like ordinary Sumatran bintan… I have three Sumatran bintan-like types, and this one looks like just another form to me, unfortunately.
I quess I tend to agree 🙂 .. but still I do see the brownish colour, is that also normal with bintan types ?
Yes, some (all?) forms have that. My first paro species looked very similar to your fish. I still have offspring of them, which seem to have a stronger red-brown band in the caudal. It dissappears when displaying. When displaying aggressively, their fins become black, with grey bands instead of blue. At times their fins are completely black, without any bands (except for the white seam, which is always visible). They’re now living with my sumatranus, which they seem to ignore completely.
The new photos confirm my presumption that they are not gunawani. I agree with Bartian. Compare our photo in the species section.
The broad bown band in the dorsal between the outer narrow whitish line and the inner hyaline band is typical for gunawani. It is not to be seen at all in these fish.
Peter Finke. (Just in this hour: great Crane-migration (Grus grus L.) north-eastwards just across our house, at least six formations with more than 1000 individuals).
Thank you, Helene, for posting your photos – and thanks to Bartian and Peter Finke for giving their expertise.
Now let’s see what Michael brings – maybe we get some more photos. I have no expert’s eye for paros but I must confess I had my doubts about Helene’s fish being gunawani. For me they are too long and slender (while gunawani seems shorter in proportion and stout) – but I was not sure whether this might be due to their youth. There is one fish on Helene’s first photos – still in the tank of the fish store I think – which proportions imho seem to fit better to being gunawani. But I think this one’s not among the fish Helene bought.
Gunawani or not – as I have not one of the bintan-forms yet I will keep my promise and take a pair or two of the fish Michael gets. If he gets enough to share ….
(Peter – here in Bonn and surroundings the crane’s northward migration could be observed nearly every day of this week, too. Always makes my heart ache with joy to watch them…………….)
B) Stefanie, I took the tank photos before catching (I was actually allowed to catch myself) – and of the six fish I bought theres only photos of the two of them.
It might well be the same in the shop foto and in the hometank or the one you mention might hide in the back of my tank – hard to say, but there were not many fish for sale anyway
Yeah, well, I have a bintan form now then, wasnt quite my intention but I get carried away[quote=”helene” post=2903]B) Stefanie, I took the tank photos before catching (I was actually allowed to catch myself) – and of the six fish I bought theres only photos of the two of them.
It might well be the same in the shop foto and in the hometank or the one you mention might hide in the back of my tank [/quote]Ah – good …………… so we will wait for more photos of them all! 😉 Did you get females, too?
If there not females at least I cannot complain, since I caught them myself 🙂 .. I hope to have got 3 males and 3 females
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