P. nagyi – but which one?

[Rod Porteous]

Hi

I bought a group of these recently, but am a little unsure of type. The caudal fin band is a pale blue I would say, depending on light. Also is this sparring between males or courting male & female. I’m worried I bought a group of males only and no females

Thanks
Rod

[Stefanie Rick]

They don’t look like nagyi to me at all …. ??

[Bill Little]

I agree with Stefanie … I don’t think so.

[helene schoubye]

I am not sure why they should not be nagyi.
The colours are a bit funny, but this could be the photo. And its not a fully bright coloured male, but it could be a male with a bit undeveloped colouring yet, or the situation doesnt allow for a fully colouring male (other males?)
The one to the left is a female, the other one does not show any black white stripes really, which is what nagyi would not do. Also the male in the caudal fin has this colourless bit at the end, isnt that typical nagyi ?
Plus the pectoral fins are not long, – nagyi is also quite short, and have this black spot in them, which I think I can barely see on the photo also.
I am not very good at identifying, I often seem to get it wrong, so its just my small opinion 🙂 .. but I wouldnt be sure its not a nagyi.
Whether its a nagyi ‘kuantan’ or ‘cherating’ depends on the colour of the spots in the caudal fin. If they are clearly white its kuantan, if clearly blue its cherating. This is also often difficult to determine on photos

[Stefanie Rick]

[quote=”helene” post=3086]I am not sure why they should not be nagyi.[/quote]

First the colouration – with which you might be right, it might be the photo. It’s much too blue. Second, the body shape, to me they seem much to long and slender to be nagyi, which are stouter even as young fish. Third, the form of the ventrals, not good to be seen – but what I see doesn’t seem so short and rounded to me like it should in nagyi. And last, the form of the anal fin of the female doesn’t resemble that of nagyi – in my opinion. It is much to broad and rounded, forming nearly a half circle.

Whether its a nagyi ‘kuantan’ or ‘cherating’ depends on the colour of the spots in the caudal fin. If they are clearly white its kuantan ….

…. or Pekan Nenasi ….

[Rod Porteous]

Hi

well that would be disappointing if not nagyi, but not wholly unexpected as dealer often mislabels Paro’s. Here are a few more photos which may help. There is a large spot on dorsal of some fish, which shows when they “flare”. They do go a nice chocolate brown, but maybe photo doesn’t show that very well

regards
Rod

[Rod Porteous]

[quote=”Stefanie” post=3087]

First the colouration – with which you might be right, it might be the photo. It’s much too blue ….[/quote]

sorry that is my fault! I have LED lights above aquarium, one of which is blue LED so perhaps scales reflected blue . and so looks more blue than it should.

Rod

[Stefanie Rick]

No – I am not good in determining, the same as Helene states for herself – but to me they are not nagyi, definitely not.

[helene schoubye]

Yes, you are right … also pekan nenasi.

I think in the last photo the body form is more as you say ‘stout’, – do you not think so ?
And if you say it gets a nice chocolate brown, then I dont know which other paro would become that.

I will put in a less perfect photo of a nagyi ‘kuantan’ just for comparison,

[Bill Little]

The first Nagyi that showed up in this country earlier this year looked very similar to the photo that Helene posted above. That’s what I recognize as Nagyi.

[Stefanie Rick]

[quote=”Little” post=3093]The first Nagyi that showed up in this country earlier this year looked very similar to the photo that Helene posted above. That’s what I recognize as Nagyi.[/quote]

That’s what I think. And I don’t think that the typical nagyi which Helene showed resembles the fish Rod shows us.

But Rod – they are very nice, whatever they are!

[Rod Porteous]

Thank you all for the replies!

I will wait and see how they develop as they mature, and recover from their transport ordeals. One important question though, is do nagyi hybridise with other species, and should they always be kept in a species tank?

regards

Rod

[Stefanie Rick]

I can only tell from my expercience that I would never keep two paro species together in one tank. Not even species that look extremely different.
I have seen my quindecim male mating with a female of unknown species (but surely not quindecim). And I have seen a big, well grown pahuensis-female heavily courting a rubrimontis male which I provisionally put together in one tank for one day. And I think that nearly no species look more different then pahuensis and rubrimontis – they represent two ends of the scale of possible appearance in paros.

I suppose the species boundaries in most paros are defined mainly by habitat barriers. Appearance (and/or) behaviour (different courtship display) may possibly be the barrier only in sympatric species. That’s my impression – but I’m no expert.

[Rod Porteous]

My fish are growing nicely and are starting to show like true nagyi, or at least I think so. Would still like to know which type you might think it is, if it is indeed nagyi?

Thanks

Rod

[Stefanie Rick]

Oh, now they definitely look like nagyi!

And as the band in the caudal fin seems to be quite whitish, it might be the form from Pekan Nenas or from Kuantan. That’s just my humble opinion ……….. 🙂

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