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Hello everyone
My name is Massimo Tavazzi, Italian breeder always been fascinated by the beauty and behavior of small Paros.
I’ve bred in the past and today I’d like to go do it.
I am currently a member of AIB (Italian Association Betta).
http://www.aibetta.it/
https://www.facebook.com/associazioneitalianabetta?ref_type=bookmark
Among the many activities offered by AIB a few years ago was a project of preservation of wild betta species and other anabantoid.
Regulation:
http://www.aibetta.it/forum/showthread.php?t=9857
Census:
http://www.aibetta.it/forum/showthread.php?t=10033
The main objectives of the project are to promote cooperation and information exchange between lovers, managing the mapping of all strains with location and not in the project.
Personal interest and other breeders towards Paros combined with the methods of breeding management with AIB standards, naturally lead us to exclude the commercial channel and to favor the exchange between individuals.
With this background it becomes natural to consult in an official way to your project, so asking and offering collaboration, concerning finding of samples and their growth.
I would therefore ask if there are currently at the Italian territory strains surveyed in your project and if you can find couples from your associates, with the goal of collaborate as AIB for breeding and maintenance of Paros in Italy.Thank you for your attention
Massimo
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Dear Massimo, you are very welcome with the Parosphromenus-Project! Until now, there are not many Italian members; please write to our webmaster that she should send you their names and addresses.
I am very much in favour of your suggestion to prefer private ways of exchanging fish and ideas and exclude the commercial level as much as possible; we really don’t need it (at least to far an extent) as far as Paros are concerned. This matches with my conviction that the commercial exploitation of the aquarium hobby bears many negative aspects; the P-P is a path towards a critical debate that we need on it.
An important point of our project is to preserve privately caught fish with secure locations (= definite location-forms of non-mixed species) by breeding and private distribution. Unfortunately, sometimes such forms are nevertheless lost and commercially traded fish replace them. But the project has a long-term breath and starts anew when an expedition has been successfully brought some forms home again.
We are proud to say that at least some species/forms could be saved until now by this policy, e.g. quindecim, pahuensis, spec. Ampah and spec. Lundu (= soec. Sungai Stunggang). Unfortunatly, the true deissneri is (nearly) lost; there is one pair left only, regularly spawning but no young are produced. We hope that we are soon able to go to Bangka for some new pairs, for that species has never been traded at all. And it is urgent, since the pollution of the habitats on Bangka is heavy and disastruous.
Hello Peter
thanks for the welcome.
Today I am firmly convinced that consumerism has partly ruined our passion.
I remember with pleasure when 30 years ago it was all very tied to the exchange between enthusiasts and everything was the result of personal experiences.
Over time we have lost the patience to see grow projects related to their tanks, and remained only the need for all and now, for the half-year turnover of the layout, and the most colorful possible, including fish.
Personally, I have always believed that it should start from strains with defined locationin order to know as much as possible the characteristics of breeding, trying to keep in the time ethological characteristics of founder fish.
And to do this I have always considered it essential to have well-sized and mature tanks, in order to find a natural food for the fish. Trying as much as possible to feed adults with live food and grow young with what they find in the tank without the use of brine shrimp.
Also because the real success is not the event of reproduction, but the containment of births and in favor of quality in the growth of the fish.
This is the management that we are pursuing with AIB as our maintenance project, starting from trying fish with a defined location, keeping track of every detail of breeding, reproductions, transfer of ownership, and ensuring for each species a main breeder and a backup breeder.
We believe that this management is the right way to ensure the success of breeding and try to create an example of how a natural breeding can give more benefits than a higher human intervention.
My personal desire and that of the staff AIB is try to create a group of Italian breeders for Paros, in a similar way to what we are doing with betta and their different complex.
I am therefore convinced that the possibility to cooperate with all the participants in PP may be a further step in the construction of what I believe a common goal, namely the international exchange of information and fish as opposed to intensive fish trade, often grown between the antibiotics in farm.
really a pleasure to talk about it.Greetings to all
Massimo
Dear Massimo, I am admiring your firm and conscious critical thinking, and I wish you and your friends the very best. This – concentrating on the roots of the hobby and opposing its being dominated by values of the market – is essentially what I think is the path towards the future.
Your rules for the tanks are – may I say – a bit rigid; I am in favour of them but they are hardly to be realized fully with Paros. I do not know any specialist for these fish who is able to do without Artemia, although it would be fine if one could dispense oft it. But this is not central to your main point. Most certainly, Paros are a wonderful group to learn a maximum independancy for the hobby from the market.
Go on! If we can, we shall try to help you! Peter
Hello Peter,
Thank you for your support.I believe that the true teaching had in years is having patience in pursuing their projects in compliance with the requirements of the fish bred us.
Regarding my management guidelines, starting from the assumption that the limitation of a “tank system” leading of fact to a selection not desired in the progeny of fish founders, try to recreate the most possible the correct management system, including of seasonal variations and feeding with live food, I believe can safeguarding a proper keeping of the strains with defined location.
Regarding the use of brine shrimp with the fish fry, however its use is valid, but often I have obtained excellent results exclusively from tanks fully ripe, densely planted with many algae and with the presence of many natural microorganisms.
Obvious that this measure is associated with the desire to make a hypothetical natural selection in the tank, with the goal of saving no more than 30% of the fish fry, saving only the strongest, so try to keep the genetic heritage original, limiting the drifts that “tank system” forced produces.Thank you for your attention.
Massimo
Dear Massimo, full support and affirmation.
As far as breeding is concerned, we have a clear tendency towards your suggestions. But: It is necessary that at least some breeders try to breed special species/forms from time to time in greater numbers. Otherwise we could not satisfy the wish of beginners to receive these fish.
A specially successful form of breeding is practised by or friend Bernhard Lukiewski (Berlin). He has focussed his breeding-system on a few fish only, among them only one species of Parosphromenus (P. quindecim). He could offer fish of any age at any time. There has been no aspects of degeneration, although all is done from a single pair about 15 years ago. in other cases breeding has been proved to become extremely difficult from the third or fourth generation onwards. But I suppose this has been due to mistakes (less water changing, food problems, negligance) which the breeders were responsible for, too.
In general, your ideas match mine grosso modo. I wish you full success in Italy.
With great pleasure, I can finally confirm that tomorrow October 19, during the performance AIB betta Festival (in the Petfestival in Piacenza), at the stand AIB will have the opportunity to exhibit three tanks dedicated to Paros, specifically Parosphromenus cf. bintan (courtesy of
Hans Schellein), Parosphromenus gunawani, Parosphromenus phoenicurus.
I hope this is the beginning of a proper distribution in Italy of these beautiful fish.See you soon.
Massimo
Hello Mazzimo
Thank you for keeping us updated on the development in Italy.
It sounds really good, – I know how much it takes to prepare something like this. Please keep us updated also on how it goes.
I took part in something like it two years ago, – and there were some good respons to it. I made some good contacts there.
I am glad to see you have got p. phoenicurus also.
The gunawani sounds interesting ? Are you sure they are gunawani ? 🙂 I bought some last year in Denmark with the label p. gunawani, – there were not that though.[quote=”helene” post=3926]Hello Mazzimo
The gunawani sounds interesting ? Are you sure they are gunawani ? 🙂 I bought some last year in Denmark with the label p. gunawani, – there were not that though.[/quote]
I was about to ask the same question, gunawani would be great, but it seems very unlikely. 🙁
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