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Hello, today I received information from other Polish paro-friend that P. filamentosus are avaiable in Poznań (Town where I live:)). I’m already call to this petshop and they told me that this paros are from another Polish town Łódź. Maybe when I will speak with owner of that petshop I will have more info ( now he is in Germany). I will visit this petshop tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and if this paros will look diferent then my – I will take them all ( only 8 pcs.) I will try also to take some pictures.
Another Parosphromenus species is also avaiable in Poland – Parosphromenus sp. They described is as a P. deisneri , but according to our expierience it isn’t. I’m waiting for pictures of them…
Greetings!Martin: This is new to me. P. filamentosus has been distributed by trade in former years but I have not heard of any shippings this year so far. On the other hand it’s rather likely that this fine species is in the trade once again. If you can get hold of one or two pairs you should take them if they look healthy. With Parosphromenus you never know: Every time it could be the last occasion.
And mind: P.anjunganensis is at present available in different European countries; the origin seems to be(Glaser)(D) and/or Ruinemans (ND). I have seen photos and can confirm: it’s anjunganensis, but some fish that I have seen were in very bad condition. I think they live since long in wrong waters and are not fed accurately. But I have seen healthy individuals in between.
The other “species” is always the same thing: “deissneri” that never are deissneri. Today, they are mostly spec. Sentang from Sumatra. Or “blue line” (a mere trade’s name including different fish of the bintan-group, but obviously always coming from Sumatra. If you could have a look you should do that, but it is highly improbable that it’s any of the well-described species. But if you do not have spec. Sentang already, if the fish are different, then it might advisable too to take some home.And a request to all readers in Europe: Please have a look in your country if you can confirm the presence of anjunganensis and possibly filamentosusand other species/forms! And tell us and our friends here!
Hello, Yesterday I went to this petshop and taked a look to this parosphromenus – They were very slim but only two of them looked very badly. And the most important that all males have extended and pointed caudal fins !!! So I took all of them ( 10 pcs) and place them in new aqua. When I was in that shop, salesman did pH test and pH was 7.5! My is about 5 but fishes were ok when I gently placed them in new aqua. Today I will try to do some pictures of them but maybe I will late few days until they will look better. Anyway I have my second paro species :):) And I’m very happy about that!
Hello, I have picture of my Parosphromenus filamentosus. But unfortunately they were in worse condition then I thought. I lost 3 of them in first night – other are good but one is still very slim. I give them all live food I can find and slowly they returned to good condition.
Is this could be Parosphromenus filamentosus?
No Martin, I am sorry, but this is definitely not filamentosus. It might be a form of rubrimontis or opallios, but the colours are not yet clearly to be seen. It may even be the most normal spec. Sentang or a similar variant from Sumatra. It’s definitely a male. Do you have females too?
The male filamentosus have a distinct caudal (see our species account) and are not to be mistaken. This is to be seen with half-grown specimen already.
At any rate: keep the new fish in both sexes together and don’t mix it up with other bintan-like fish. They might easily hybridize, and then nobody can say them apart again.
If you are seriously interested in other species and if you could travel in the next months to the west border for a short visit in Germany (say in Riesa or Weisswasser or Horka) I could arrange that a certain amount of pairs of different species could be shipped to friends of the project over there and you could fetch them.
And perhaps a still better idea: I shall visit Poland for an ornithological excursion in May. I shall go by train to Warsaw, but there is very limited time. I could take some Parosphromenus for you with me if you could fetch them on the spot so that we do not have to wait (it’s a group!). Please write to my personal mail address (I think you have it).Hello,
yesterday I bought in Poland a 10 specimens of Parosphromenus which were also labeled as Parosphromenus filamentosus. What makes me happy the fishes are in a great condition. In compare to the fish from the Martin’s photo they look differently – the biggest seems to has extended filament of caudal (now not so long beacuse the fishes are max. half-grown).
This is my first post here – I hope you will understand my poor englisch;)
Greetings from South-east Poland
WojtekWojtek, you are perfectly understood. Be welcome!!
Your fish might really be filamentosus, your description mentions the clear filament at the end of the male’s caudal fin. And there must be a colouration in that fin, reddish at the centre and bluish at the margin. The whole caudal is not rounded, but slighty elongated.
It is very well possible that the trade has mixed up two different species. That would be rather dangerous because we cannot idebtify the females very well. But at first we have to wait and let the animals develop.Hello, it is great Wojtek that You finally have Your fish. When I looked on my paros I can also see their caudal extended. Maybe that one on the picture is too young? But if they are young , they must be definitely different species then my Parosphromenus sp. Bintan, becouse of their size. All of my new fish are bigger (longer) then my P sp.bintan. I can clearly see differences beetwen this two species. And other thing – new paros had diffrent night coloration. Their strips become “cutted” into a dots. In P.sp Bintan strips are lighter but visible at night.
Peter I’m very glad according to Your offer 🙂 But I managed one more aqua for this new paros and I dont have space for another – I will have more space after we moved into a new house for 3-4 month :):) And then I could visit You in Germany to become a owner of new paros species! Thank You one more time for offer and I wish You a nice trip to Poland 🙂Greetings!
Martin, the fish you photographed is definitely not filamentosus. It’s a male and it is not too young. It’s appearance shows markers of a male P. spec. of about 7 – 10 months. Male filamentosus show a very elongated caudal with a clear black filament rather early in their life. When very young, the filament is very small, but the fish you showed at the picture should have that typically coloured elongated caudal with the tyoical black filament. Look at the typical colour of that caudal; it’s a very constant marking. (The picture I add here is a famous shot by Hans-Joachim Richter from the beginnings of the eighties of the last century).
But maybe there are real filamentosus mixed in the group you have bought, and still smaller. You can only wait and see. Then we will perhaps recognize waht the species of that fish is what you showd to us.
And I understand your difficulties: I shall bring no fish with me when I visit Poland in May. Later this year you will come to Germany and take fish home.Hello,Few days ago I saw that my male become very dark, yesterday he become very agressive , I saw also that it is missing one of fish ( this aqua is not covered) so, I tought that some of my paros jumped out, but… Male very often dissapeared in coco cave and then I saw this missing paros in that cave also 🙂 She become very dark also (mostly her fins) – So, my first breeding of new paros become a truth 🙂 I is very difficult to take a picture of male, but I can tell for sure that he don’t have filament like P.filamentosus. But also he had little trigonal caudal fin – clearly visible compared to my P.sp. bintan. I will still try to do fine picture of them.
That sounds great: I cross my fingers that they breed successfuly and you will get some small young Paros.
Martin, you will surely report what is going on. Many Parosphromenus-males become darkish when they are in breeding mood or standing in their cave. But females normally tend to become light in that mood, the longitudinal stripes fade and the body appears light brown or even yellowish. But as you have observed correctly, the female fins – normally without any colours and transparent – become a little coloured, different according to the species. Often there are brownish or blackish tinges or even reddish markings in the fins. Very different to this normal colouration things happen in the female P. paludicola from the location Wakaf Tapei: they become darker during courtship and spawning. A strange thing that may indicate even a species diversity.
By the way, I have never seen a licorice gourami jumping. I know that some people tell this (including our master-breeder Günter Kopic), so one has to take it serious. But I have never observed it. Normally the water surface isn’t existing for them. Only during bubble nest building (what is done by filamentosusrather excessively, but by many other species very carelessly) the males swim repeatedly to the surface to fetch air.Hello, today (3 days after spawn) I decided to remove coco cave with eggs from aqua. I want to have first fry in controlled conditions. I was suprised that there was’t any eggs … but I found them under the piece of wood. I carefully moved them in to a plastic container with the same water as in main aqua. And I placed it under the filter outlet in main aqua – they will have fresh water all the time. You may count the eggs – 12 pcs. We will se what will happen….Picture of male also attached. Still not perfect but any ideas…?
Hello, Yesterday larvae hatched. I saw 9-10 of them still “glued” to the wood. I must admit that on that photo Parosphromenus look like some kind of Bintan group. But when I’m watching them in aqua I have feeling that his caudal is little trigonal… I don’t know , maybe it is better to not say anything untill fishes aren’t mature and in really good condition… Best regards!
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