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June 24, 2014 at 1:58 pm #6726Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipant
Hallo!
When I built my new Paro home, I bought plants recommended in the new Paro Book.
Especially the swimming plants echter Hornfarn Ceratopteris cornuta, swimming plant and
Südamerikanischer Froschbiss, Limnobium laevigatum.First Ceratopteris said good bye.
But the Limnobium were very strong and fine.
Before our vacation I had 22*C and the usual Paro water parameter in the tank.
Unfortunately I left during our absence he tank cover on the top – there was no reason for it because the Paros still weren’t in the tank that time.When we came back most of the Limnobium where almost slime salad and I took them off …
When we came back with the new Paros linkei, I gave them 25*C.
Perhaps that swimming plants are also not so happy about that.Are there any easy plants, you can recommend me? Perhaps:
Krause-afrikanische-Wasserpest-Lagarosiphon-major ?And where do you get them in Germany ( I still don’t know where I got my dragonfly larves – from my former plant shop or from the root ….) ?
June 24, 2014 at 2:10 pm #6727Peter FinkeParticipantYou cannot expect that plants that come from a normal aquarium water with pH around 7.0 will do at once fine in a blackwater aquarium with pH much lower. Lagarosiphon and Elodea and many (not to say: most) others normal aquarium pants are totally wrong in that kind of waters. Those named are dapted to hard waters and will soon die in waters wthout any measurable calcium and a pH of 6 or lower.
Ceratopteris is very good indeed and tolerates those waters if adapted over a certain period of time; then it is the best plant for small Paro-tanks. Limnobium is much less suitable.
June 24, 2014 at 2:30 pm #6728Davy GrenouilletParticipantI use java moss + java fern and Ceratopteris cornuta.
Cerato come from normal aquarium water, and it has very difficulty to grow up at the beginning. It die the firsts weeks but it grow up after, new plants are coming on the old. It´s time for adaptation between the normal water and the acide water.
Now I must withdraw from the tank because it grow up too quickly!
June 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm #6729Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantTo Peter Finke:
But my Ceratopteris is gone except two or tree hard pieces of former leaves – and it don’t seems like they would get any joung leaves on it any more, but I will try….
I see, I’m not a plant specialist… Fish and dogs is a better understanding with me .. 😉Perhaps I should make more water changes at the moment for the Paros, I guess because of the plants? Of course I also take the worn out plants out of the tank.
To Davy:
Could you sent me some plants of your wonderful Ceratopteris cornuta? I will be pleased to pay you the plants and the postage from France (priority) if I will have the chance to get some blackwater used plants …June 24, 2014 at 3:09 pm #6730Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantBy the by – my java fern and my java moss are fine…
June 24, 2014 at 3:27 pm #6731Davy GrenouilletParticipantLook at on ebay.de, it´s more simple and less expensive for you. Ship from France is expensive!
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June 24, 2014 at 6:15 pm #6732Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantHallo Davy!
Are you sure that that plant is used to black water?
And that they don´t sell dragonfly larves with the plant? 😉It´s also very expensive to order plants in Germany which die at once in the tank … so perhaps it could be a chance to get some from France, which love already black water … 😉
The most loss of money for my aquaristic live I´ve had with buying plants which didn´t grow …
June 24, 2014 at 6:36 pm #6733Davy GrenouilletParticipantYou can find here german people who use ceratopteris in their acid tank and who can send it to you. I’ll go to the post office to ask the price for ship it from France.
June 24, 2014 at 8:52 pm #6734helene schoubyeKeymasterHow about light ?
I have some troubles as well with the ceratopteris, – but its strange because in some tanks they grow fine and in others they dissappear.
But with some of my other ‘floating’ plants, I realized that they do really also like light, – I use salvia natans a lot, and its quite clear that the ‘stripe’ underneath the led light panel is far better growing than in the dark corners.
I use two kinds of led light strips, one with a clear light and one with a more yellow light, – and theres a difference in growth as well between these tow types of light.June 24, 2014 at 9:09 pm #6735Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantI have two led stripes 25cm long. They can be dimmed, are for aquaristik purpose and are of a good quality.
And before we left for holidays, the swimming plants (not ceratopteris) grew under the light very fine. I think it was the humidity unter the acrylic glas… I told my “fish home service” not to feed in that tank. So nobody lifted the acrylic glas for about two weeks …The time before, I lifted the cover about every day to look after dragonfly larves, to feed the caridina simoni a bit.
June 24, 2014 at 10:13 pm #6736Davy GrenouilletParticipantI use light Arcadia arcpod fluocompact 11w for my 20L tanks with bulb osram 4000k.
Ceratopteris grow very quickly in my tanks.
June 25, 2014 at 2:18 am #6737Rod PorteousParticipantI have numerous Cryptocoryne species from Malaysia and Indonesia in my aquariums, all doing very well. i also have a few types of Bucephalandra, Hygrophila corymbosa that all grows well, as does Limnophila aromatica. I have just bought some Ceratoperis and it is currently floating for a few weeks to acclimatise it. Salvinia natans grows too quickly for me so looking for a floting plant that might grow a little slower
June 25, 2014 at 8:37 am #6738Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantCan beech leaves be a problem for fresh acclimating plants?
And why do I always get bad plants? 😉 and everybody else seems or have no problems? 😉June 25, 2014 at 9:51 am #6739Rod PorteousParticipantCO2 levels can be a problem. The problem is most plants are grown emersed by suppliers, so adapting them to a submersed environment, needs to be done slowly. I was advised that I should always float my plants for a couple of weeks before planting them.
June 25, 2014 at 10:40 am #6740Dorothee Jöllenbeck-PfeffelParticipantSwimming plants float by nature, I didn´t plant them!
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