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October 14, 2012 at 9:31 pm #4519Mike HuParticipant
Hi everyone,
I thought I’d share this video of my paros attempting to spawn.
Unfortunately these attempts were not successful.
I had to record the reflection off the inside of my tank to get these pictures 😆
October 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm #4520Peter FinkeParticipantMike, your video does not show a pair of spec. Sentang spawning but it’ a video of an attempted spawning. Mostly the first embraces in a cave happen for hours without eggs appearing, especially in young pairs, but with older ones, too. This is quite normal and is called apparent pairings or sham pairings (German “Scheinpaarungen”). Every sequence of pairíngs is introduced by such sham pairing attempts, but after some time the eggs appear and the male will fertilize them. Therefore, your video is a video of a sequence of normal sham spawnings.
However, in your case subsequently there might have been no real spawnings at all. There could be two causes: firstly, the pair has no really quiet place, it’s too much disturbance around them (take the shrimps!). Secondly, there is a second male around. This is quite a bad thing for normal spawing behaviour because that is disturbed or prevented by necessary antagonistic behaviour of the two males. Therefore I think you will not be successful with this tank resp. its living community. In tanks that are really crowded by plants it might be different, but the best method is to isolate the pair in a small spawning tank without any disturbance. In nature there is disturbance, too, but with much more space, and that minimizes the disturbance.
October 15, 2012 at 12:22 am #4521Mike HuParticipantThank you Peter for that insight.
I will try to take your advice on board.
Its been a while since I made this video and certainly I see your point about the disturbances of the other residents of the tank.
I’ve since moved the paros to a bigger tank but I will certainly look into setting up a tank for breeding so that my courting pair can have some peace and quiet.
October 17, 2012 at 4:59 am #4538helene schoubyeKeymasterI think Mike, that you will be rewarded if you do find a nice quiet tank for your pair, – and you have a really good camera I think, so if you set things up carefully and plan a little you can get really good videoes without disturbing too much. I have also found my camera back again, and enjoy making videoes. Actually I would really like to show you my last video of today (and hope you dont think it bad of me to use your thread 🙂 … and here you can see a pair of linkei’s also maybe like Peter is describing ‘trying’. However they have spawned – as you can see – already a few days ago, – but it seemed like today, they tried for long long time, and it really didnt look as if they knew how excatly they should do.
But if you have a couple – that likes each other – in a smaller tank, and set the cave a little to the back, but not too much, have it so you can see inside the cave, – the one I use seemed to be perfect for photographing, although maybe not so perfect as the roof is a bit not even, which means that eggs might slide up, not a good thing, – however they obviously did not.
Of course you have to make sure you do not disturb the fishes or scare them, they wont feel comfortable enough then, – but you can make them used to the camera by having it standing on something stable in front, – I dont know what its called in english, but I have a ‘foot’- thing for my camera, so it stands there all day in front of the tank, and then all I have to do is push the on button. So theres not much movement in front of the tank. It also gives better images if the camera is not hold by hand, but is standing on something firm. Light is a problem, I acutally glued a small pocket lamp onto the camera 🙂 … and pointed it into the cave, – not a very strong light, that might disturb them, but enough to make video.
I am trying to follow this pair and the eggs until the larvaes have gone from the cave.
Here it is … actually I cut it down to at least half the time, they spend so long in and out, trying, leaving, trying again 🙂 ..
They did succeed in the end, – there are some interesting views towards the end, for those who have the patience to watch that long .. 🙂[video]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4NCykvgkks&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
October 17, 2012 at 8:19 am #4539Mike HuParticipantHi Helene,
Thanks for joining in this topic with your amazing video.
I think both you and Peter are right about the need for a separate breeding tank.
I’m looking into how I’m going to do this starting with a new home for my shrimp.
I’d like to say something about videos. I think that seeing the fish behaviour will beat any description or picture. There is so much that can be learned just by watching. I would encourage all keepers to make videos as watching someone else’s experience provides great perspective on what you may be doing right or wrong in your own tanks.
So I guess I’d like to challenge people to share their experiences with videos. :cheer:
October 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm #4546MariusParticipantHelene, this is a great video. The Parosphromenus cf. linkei are looking very good. Do you have some pairs you don’t need? 😛 My english isn’t very good. Sorry for that ^^
Marius
October 19, 2012 at 6:39 pm #4551helene schoubyeKeymasterMarius, 🙂 I am glad you like the fishes.
I have quite a few linkei now, and with some luck the fry will grow up and there will be more. So if you lived in Copenhagen you could certainly have some, but I dont think you do 🙂October 25, 2012 at 1:01 am #4561MariusParticipantI’m very interested in this species. Maybe we can find a way to send them to Berlin ^^ Perhaps i can come next year to Hamburg, but thats not sure. Anyway I must wait till the fry is growing up.
October 25, 2012 at 3:59 am #4562helene schoubyeKeymasterHello Marius.
I made a mistake thinking you might be able to find linkei in Berlin, – but I hope somehow we can find a way to get some fish for you to Berlin 🙂 it should not be impossible.October 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm #4594MariusParticipantThank you Helene for your advice! In cooperation with Peter Finke and Horst Linke I get a group of Parosphromenus cf. linkei! They are very beautiful 🙂 I hope, I can see in the next week the first egg/fry ^^
Marius
October 30, 2012 at 9:17 pm #4595helene schoubyeKeymasterVery glad to hear it worked out for you.
Heres one of my new males 🙂November 2, 2012 at 6:21 am #4612Paul HardsParticipantHelene,
What a fantastic photo and a beautiful fish. Well done.
November 2, 2012 at 7:06 pm #4613helene schoubyeKeymasterThanks Paul
The credit for the photo must go to Johnny Jensen (www.jjphoto.dk) ..Marius, regarding spawning I really found that these fish are very eager to spawn, – a small tank with a little spagnum, some cover plants, a few oak-leaves and a cave … 🙂
All the best luck with them -
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