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Malay Muslim Sultanates were established in the South of Celebes long before the arrival of the Portuguese in the early 16th century. The Dutch arrived in the early 17th century and gradually spread their control but two States, Bone and Gowa, retained their independence until 1905 and 1911 respectively. During World War II it was occupied by Japan. It only became a part of Indonesia in 1950. When did it became Sulawesi? I can’t find a date or reference.
Anyway, we are drifting away from the original thread 😉I have to agree with Peter for the same reasons. It’s unlikely that the same shrimp is to be found on Borneo as well. It appears that the largest percentage of flora and fauna are endemic. So I shall look forward to the results of next year. I wish I could go :unsure:
I also agree with 7 Zwerge that we shouldn’t use those traders names. I discovered that by googling Caridina pareparensis parvidentata it only returns names like Malawa shrimp except in a few cases, in others people use Malaya shrimp. But I suspect they are talking about a different species.
Bill
They could well be the same shrimp. Malaya was Peninsular Malaya and Singapore Island and, I think, British Borneo. After independence it became Malaysia including the peninsula, Singapore Island and what was British Borneo. The rest is Indonesia. That is probably where the name Malay or Malaya shrimp came from. It’s possible that before description it was known as Caridina sp. Malaya. Sulawesi may have been part of Malaya at one time, or the same shrimp was found in Malaya. I don’t think the territory is very distinct. The soil pH on Sulawesi appears to vary from 5.3 up to 6.8 and it also contains peat bog which I would assume is low in pH. However, these figures don’t guarantee that any streams will be of a low pH as there is a lot of limestone and uplifted coral.
Just thinking out loud :whistle:
BillPerhaps they were first offered by someone who kept them at pH 7-8 and they made an assumption that they were suited to that then everyone else just followed along.
I note that some people call it the Malay shrimp, is it possible it is in fact the species which is found with Paros I wonder.
Do the Paros feed on the young C. parvidentata?
BillHi 7 Zwerge,
Not really as a clean-up crew. My interest is really what is becoming of the other species that are endangered along with the Paros. I think when I spoke of Catfish it was mainly a starting point; I suppose starting from the bottom and working up, so to speak 🙂
But that is interesting that once settled they breed for you in 5 pH. I’m trying to work out why those shrimp are noted as requiring a pH of 7-8 in literature. Perhaps they are usually found in clear water running over limestone? I think even the soils are averaging pH 5 in Indonesia/Malaysia, unless my memory is deceiving me 😆
Maybe one day, someone will manage to bring in and breed the local shrimp that live alongside of the Paros. As a similar shrimp can’t be found elsewhere requiring such acidic conditions then it must be assumed that these shrimp are endangered as well.
Many thanks for your input.
BillHi Peter, thanks for your input.
I think everyone is picking me up wrong. I don’t want a community tank. I’ve never had a community tank. My interest is as a conservationist. If Paros are as endangered as they are, and I’m very sure they are, then my interest lies in helping conserve any species that are endangered along with them. I know that isn’t the concern here on the project, it’s a personal concern. My only thoughts were that if there was a catfish from the same habitat and it would safely live in the tank with Paros, then that would be a bonus. I see it as no different to others doing so with Boraras. It’s not something I intend to set out and do. If I ever get Paros, they will be housed on their own for breeding, as will other species. Then possibly, I need to find suitable accommodation for the young and that might mean housing them temporarily with another species. I’d rather that species was from the same habitat.
I’m not at all fixated on catfish, I’ve never, ever owned a catfish. It’s just that for some reason catfish came to mind. In conservation (I’m not trying to teach my grandmother how to suck eggs) we need to expand our own minds and consider everything in that habitat that is endangered. As I see things, the biggest threat is burning down forest to replant with oil palm. Ornithologists, I’m sure, have concerns about the many bird species vanishing, as do entomologists and botanists etc. etc. But they don’t only concern themselves with one genus. As an orchidist I never concerned myself with one genus, not even one family, but all species within that habitat. They are all endangered.
My point is not to get the Parosphromenus Project to open it’s door to those other species, I know this isn’t the place for it, but I need to know what’s happening with other species in those habitats. How do they interact etc. It’s a personal project that shouldn’t encroach on the Paro project, except if I was to see some very interesting interaction between Paros and another species.
I’m sure when people catch Paros, they catch other fish, but because they are wanting Paros, they will probably throw the other species back. We never know what has been thrown back. We have information on shrimp that they feed on, especially young, but for some strange reason no one brings any back to find a method of propagation. Why? I’m not speaking of commercial catchers for the trade, but Paro people who spend time going out there to catch their own fish.
Where would one get those species? At the moment, I don’t know. But when I first heard of Paros around 1970 they were not to be found either 🙂
I must read through a lot of information on here again, I was under the impression that Paros were found in large ponds/small lakes as well as streams. That was remiss of me.
Bill
While researching these two catfish I came across a catfish site. There is quite a few from Borneo and Peninsular Malaya, so I’m sure there must be one or two originate in the same ponds/streams as Paros. Lots of reading 🙂
Thanks, Ghia, I’ll look into those, they should make an interesting project alongside my Paros, even if not mixed.
Bill[quote=”RafEg” post=5640]
As to Bill: From what I have read in other threads, you are not among those with a year long experience of low pH/EC aquaristics and the even a bit more special paros.
So please, once you have some, do keep them on their own and learn how to treat them correctly. A single-species tank is also the (almost) only option for you to participate in the breeding programme because only in such environments you have the total control.
Best wishes, Rafael[/quote]
Hi RafEg, while I do in fact have considerable and many years of keeping and breeding low pH fish (except Paros) it was never my intention to get Paros and put them in a tank with other fish. In fact, I seldom mix any fish. My intention would be to get to know these fish before I did anything other than breed them. My question was really for future use, I thought that perhaps in the future I could, in selected tanks, have a compatible fish. Like some people keep a few Boraras. But not until they have bred.
I would be extremely surprised if there is no catfish which shares the same habitat as the Paros. Getting to know our fish is extremely important, especially with such highly endangered fish, but gaining knowledge about the fish is not about the fish themselves, but what goes on in the habitat along with them. Often there is a symbiotic relationship between animals/plants etc., wouldn’t it be good to find out? We must remember – although this project isn’t about other fish – that because Paros are endangered, especially due to loss of habitat, then so are other fish. As someone who is concerned about conservation, both at home and abroad, I’m concerned for other species that are becoming endangered along with Paros. Although that will be a private concern and unlikely to encroach on this project.
While the project’s concern is primarily Parosphromenus, please, in a private capacity, think of the species that are going extinct with them.
I do appreciate the concerns you raise, and so you should, I could very well have been someone with no or little experience in keeping fish. So I do thank you for your input.
BillThanks, Helene. That’s a real pity. If it is ever revived then I would be more than willing to run it, after all, I’m stuck at home all day so have plenty of time on my hands.
If there is anything I can do at all, please let me know. My computer is here beside me in my fish room. I sit and care for my tanks then just turn around and tend to my computer 😆
Anyway, I’m at the projects service.
Bill
Thanks, Russ, I have every faith in you 😆
As a matter of interest, how much would Royal Mail charge to send them straight over here? I may have to check An Post (our national carrier) to see if they exclude live animals. That may cause a Problem when handing over to An Post.
Bill
Terribly sorry for raising this old post from more than 4 years ago. This is the result of being a new member and reading every post on the forum 🙂
I was very interested in this to the extent that I added my name and house to the map then read on. I was disappointed when it suddenly ran out of steam. I looked at the “maps” tab but couldn’t find the members map on there – I used the original link that was put into the thread initially. As I continued reading I tried Nathea’s link, unfortunately it doesn’t work any more 🙁 Has this part of the project been abandoned? It started off as an excellent idea. Meanwhile, I’ll leave my name on the map.
To Bill Little, as per your question back then, I tried your postal code and it gave me an largish area with Highpoint at the centre. So Postal Codes, at least in the States, give an area where you are but is certainly not indicating your actual home. That seems to offer some privacy, people would need to contact you for better details. There may be more privacy problems using Post Codes in the UK. If I remember correctly a Postal Code for the UK actually Identifies around 3 or 4 houses. For instance sending a letter addressed to John Smith only with the Postal code xxx xxxx would actually be delivered to the correct house with no other information required.
Ireland is only this year starting postal codes, they will work very similarly to UK Post Codes. I don’t know how other European Post Codes Work.
Anyway, sorry for dragging up an old post, but if it gets the ball rolling again, then it’s worth it, I, personally, think it’s a great idea.
Bill
Hi Bernd,
I really appreciate all the help you have been giving me, you have been very kind. Russ, in the UK, has been looking into things regarding shipping out to Ireland using the new service as well. I’m not sure if any other UK members are active on the forum here or not, maybe one of them would be willing to help as well. I have my fingers crossed that Russ will be able to help. Had I been able, I would be on a plane to Germany tomorrow at only about €40.00 return, maybe one day.
Many thanks Bernd.
BillI should also add that you don’t have to stay in waiting for delivery as you have 3 days to pick up your package before it is taken back to the hub for return. So you can pick it up any time, any day, 24/7/365 Although with fish, particularly during cold weather, you won’t want to leave them in a locker too long :unsure:
Bill
Correction to original post: the fee I’m charged for the service is €3.95 not €4.95
