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Hello Helene,
I´m not sure if we mean the same thing.
Imazo(https://www.imazo.se) is a wholesale company that sells to pet shops.
In your case it would be crossing the bridge to Malmö
or maybe they even sell to shops in Denmark.I think the Paro interest is pretty low in Sweden and probably also
in the rest of Scandinavia. Not much hope for a special group.
But I´m still surprised that Imazo has always Paros on
their list. So someone must buy them.I think one of the last activities on labyrintfisk.no about Paros
was from a dedicated person from Copenhagen. 🙂How about a open search and offer section here in the forum?
Plus maybe a section where you can ask for help with transport to receive fish.The problem with the distribution is in my opinion that you don´t know if
someone has fish to offer or if someone is looking for fish if you
don´t ask. It´s not transparent.
It also excludes the opportunity to make a spontaneous offer if you
travel somewhere.I offered fry last year without any response. For me it was
not clear if there aren´t any people looking for Paros or just not in
my region.
In the IGL-forum was also no reaction…
In the end I brought them to a local fishshop here in Stockholm.greetings
VolkerSorry,it´s to far away for me.
But if can add my travelling costs to the fishprice, I might think about it. 😛Hello Peter,
thank you for your reply.
I won´t buy them cause of two reasons.First is, I could pick out the males but I´m
not sure with the females, if there are any at all… cause
they are mixed with the P.sp. Sungai Bertam in one tank.
I don´t know how they ended up in the same transport.Second is simple, I have no space to keep them.
It was just interesting to guess which species it could be.
That´s what I meant, they don´t look like the picture you picked out. But they look a lot
like the ones on the pictures that C.Hinz took in the species description.
The second picture doesn´t match at all.But thanks for your help.
Imazo is a wholesaler located in Sweden. A local fishshop here in Stockholm has a regularly
updated list where you can see available fish.
The owner of Imazo or responsable person for the fishdepartment(don´t know) is mentioned from time to time in the Amazonas magazine. He seems to be a friend of H.G.Evers.
I don´t know if they deliver outside of Sweden. They have more or less the whole time
Parosphromenus on their list.If you check the norwegian labyrinthfish forum, there is a regularly updated importlist from
a shop in Oslo. The doing imports from Singapore. At the moment they have also P. opallios listed under the name “Giant Red Sparkling Licorice Gourami”.
Under the same name P.opallios are offered sometimes on Aquab** by a company in the US,
located in Portland,Oregon.So it looks like the source is somewhere in Singapore.
I think it could be some kind of infusoria. I guess it´s more a definition problem what kind of microorganisms we call infusoria.
I have here some paracemium which are good visible and some infusoriamix which is smaller in size and more like a fog.
I did some research and read that in tanks with no technic and no watercirculation an extreme infusoria development can happen. An explanation was that you have first a high bacteria development and than their predators follow(infusoria).
As solutions were mentioned to put a source for watermovement in the tank and
the moving clouds will become less(?even disappear?) or to put in daphnia or cyclops which will also decimate the microorganisms or their foodsource.
But it´s the question if the fishes will give them the time to do their job.:)Hi,
I know that in the killifish scene some people send fishes with the post.
I had a bad experience right the first time I received fishes. Except of one
all were dead. It took 8 days from the middle of Germany to Stockholm and the
weather was changing to very hot in this time.
That was for me the first and last time buying fishes this way and I don´t wanna
give it a try to send fishes myself.
But I know also succesful examples were people received fishes from Spain or France
to Sweden without problems.
All in all I would say there is always a risk of losing the fish.But what about using other networks. There are for example every year a lot of meetings in whole
Europe by other groups (killifish, betta breeders, dart frogs,reptiles, big fairs…).
Maybe we don´t share the interest for the same animals but we share at least the interest for the same kind of hobby and a lot of people come around in the world. Most of this groups have special forums where you can ask.I asked myself a lot if you can take fishes with you in the luggage if you fly within Europe for example. Let´s say you put them well packed in a styrofoambox in your suitcase.
Is there any trouble waiting at the airport?Hi Bartian,
I don´t know what tips or contacts you got from Peter but I
can name you two possible sources. But the best will be to get them
from a private breeder and I guess Peter knows best where to ask.Rifwachter in Hilversum had once P. nagyi when I was there so maybe they have sometimes
Parosphromenus.
On the dutch Labyrintvissen Forum is a guy called Armin who offered
Parosphromenus from a wholesaler. If you check there Soorten aangeboden you can find his
contact information.groetjes
VolkerHi Knut,
I had a similar problem.
I moved the fry into a breedingbox in the tank of the parents
with water circulation(like a Gerdkasten). Didn´t lose any further fry.
But they were already around 1 to 1,5cm in size.Volker
Bernd wrote, that the system I´m using now with a breedingbox in the parents tank doesn´t work,
cause it doesn´t allow controlled feeding of the fry. I should make waterchanges after I moved the
fry and use water with a higher conductance for stabile water parameters to keep the fry in good condition and let it grow faster.I totally agree with Bernd about the negative point of my system and my idea is not to find a good way to raise up fry in a new way. For me it´s just the best emergency solution cause I don´t have the space to put up an extra tank at the moment(I´m still working on my fishshelf).
The seperate plastic box didn´t work well only with intensive cleaning which was stressfull for the fish and for me. I´m still convinced that the constant water exchange or water movement is better than before. I can see them hunting for food and having round bellies but they are also 6 weeks old.
I wouldn´t recommend to put newly free swimming fry in such a box.Hallo Bernd,
für mich ist das im Moment die beste Notlösung weil ich kein extra Becken aufstellen kann. Wenn mein neues Regal steht, werde ich mit Aufzuchtbecken arbeiten.-Haben deine Aufzuchtbecken Bodengrund und Einrichtung oder sind es Cleanbecken, mit Filter oder ohne..?
– How does the set up of your breeding tanks look?Hi Patrick,
sad to hear. I had also a bit of a unlucky hand with the fry.
It´s hard to say for me what can be the reason but I can tell my
observations.
Like I wrote before, with my first fry I had a high loss rate in the first days
till I changed the setup of the box. They were doing fine till an age of 4 weeks
than I noticed that every day one or two were swimming weard. They were swimming
with the head down and it looked like the tail was drifting up, in the end of the
day they were hanging at the watersurface and they were turning slowly white from behind.
So checked one of them with a loupe and there were little white dots moving around on this
little fish. This little creatures were eating somehow the little fish alive.I took all the fry left and put them into a breeding box from Se.. which I hung into
the tank of the parents. The sponge filter in the tank was placed in a way that the water
is dripping all the time into the box. It works the same way like the “Gerdkasten”.
They are all healthy and grew a lot.The second load of fry I seperated grew well without any losses the first 1,5 weeks.
Unexpected I had to go somewhere for 5 days and had to show my girlfriend how to feed
artemia. When I came back all of them were gone. 🙁My fry could take artemia from the first day but I noticed a development in eating.
First days the artemia have to swim more or less into the mouth of the fry and you have to feed a lot. They are not very active hunters, that´s the time where a lot of artemia end up dead in the breeding box. So cleaning the box is a fulltime job.
After some days they are hunting actively and swim to the food.
I think like Peter, it´s better to feed livefood that stays alive in sweetwater till the fry is hunting actively.
Another risk was for me that the fry is hanging the first days in the drifting plants, when they are a bit older and hunt food they are moving mainly on the ground. That´s where I guess they are very sensitive to bacterias if the box is not 100% clean.
All in all, keeping the little plastic box totally clean is very hard and time consuming.
I think I will try the “Gerdkasten” or already running tank in future.Also interesting for me was to see that the Betta brownorum, I was raising up in the same boxes
and the same age, where doing fine. I didn´t lose a single fish.Volker
Hi Patrick,
I had a bit similar thoughts and questions some time ago.
First time I had a breeding success I decided after my questions here in the forum
to just let it go it´s way. But after some time all the fry were gone, I suppose eaten by the
parents. After some weeks they made a new nest, so I thought if they eat them anyway I can also give it a try.I knew that it takes around 9 days for the larvae to leave the cave. On the 8th day I sucked them out of the cave with a little airpipe into a little plasticbox(24cmx19cmx13cm) from a known swedish company. I put a lot of javamoss inside but think today it was not clever.
The first days I lost quite some larvae. I feeded small artemia twice a day and cleaned the ground before feeding again. I filled in new water from the parents tank after I cleaned and raised slowly the waterlevel over the days. Now they are 3-4 weeks old and I hope (knock on wood) that I won´t loose more. Out of around 30 I have 20 left.
Yesterday I seperated again around 30 larvae with the same method.
It´s still a long way to go but I could learn already a bit.Now I use only drifting plants in the boxes out of tanks or from the balcony where I have a live food bucket. In the roots they can find some infusoria and a place to hide. The dead artemia are lying on the ground and can be sucked out easily with a pipe. Before the dead artemia were hanging in the javamoss and I couldn´t get them all out which I guess had a bad impact on the waterquality.
I would recommend to just give it a try, learn from possible mistakes and try to develop your own method.
greetings
VolkerHi Helene,
I´m not an expert with diseases but I remembered a thread in the IGL forum in the
Paradiesfisch section. Some Macropodus spechti were showing dark spots on fins and
body.
The reason was identified by Charly Roßmann to be organic material like
rotting leaves,- wood,- plants and lot of detritus(don´t know if it´s the right english word = Mulm) that pollutes the water and can cause this spots.The author of the thread found the source a rotting peace of wood and changed regularly 50%
of the water and the spots were more or less gone.Here is the link, maybe you can compare the symptoms and it might help.
IGL threadVolker
