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No, Deeping peat, – sadly they passed a while ago now 🙁 but its true we did have a last couple, but they werent able to reproduce unfortunately.
Glad that you wrote in this post, I had forgotten to use your excellent photo of p. quindecim, – is in one of the best of this species that we have, so it is now on the species page 🙂 ..
Hi Fredrik, –
from first look, yes, it could be phoenicurus.Where did you buy them ? What particular reason makes you think they are not phoenicurus.
The position makes it a little hard to be certain, – needs a tail in full ‘show’ in order to know more preciselyThank you for that offer, Bill, – that could be really great.
Let me just have a think about it, – and I will return with something shortly.Hi Bill.
Just nice to see that you are reading through all our ‘old’ stuff 🙂 …
But to the members map, yes I have to say we abandoned the project.There are several reasons for that, – one it became a rather extensive job to keep up for me, – because it changes all the time, – some people join, a few may leave, some may move, – and all of a sudden theres a risk it really isnt accurate anymore.
And we also found that even we did have a members map, people would anyway write to me, Bernd or Peter if they were really looking, and it was often a lot easier to help directly via a mail.If someone had a great idea – and the time to help for example, it is not as if the idea could not be taken up again. But for the moment its not maintained, and I did unpublish it on the homepage
🙂 … I am not trying to push you, – I really personally also do not go for the unidentified fish, – because I can choose now to rely on fish from within the project.
But I will say also, – that even a paro which is named wrong, – is still interesting.
I bought some at some stage labelled p. tweediei. I have now bred them and they are with several people in Europe, – and they are highly attractive – however (you may have come across some threads about them) – there has been much discussion whether they are tweediei, rubrimontis, alfredi … and I still dont know.
So they are now known as p.tweediei (ruinemans 2013). We know which one that is then.I will add a picture, they are so beatiful
Hi Bill
I am sorry, I was a bit delayed in approving your first post here, – I may blame it on the sudden change in weather here in Denmark. All summer has been raining and grey, but the last two days has been sunny and lovely, – so I have not spend too much time on the computer :)..But very warmly welcome here to the forum.
I was just thinking, – if possible, I would probably try to have a further look at those so called ‘deissneri’ – it has happened, that it was not a deissneri, but something otherwise really eciting.
In Denmark, it is also not easy to get clear species, – but theres one shop that sometimes does have paros, – and I always go and check them out, – perhaps sneak a photo and upload it here for help. But of course one shop in Ireland, may not mean its just around the corner for you :)..There an interesting aspect in this whole paro-thing, that we perhaps focus too much on ‘clear species’ – in one way this is good and right, but in another way it makes us perhaps not openminded enough for the value of unidentified species. As yet, we dont really know how the different species are seperated, how they evolve, what variations may indicate and so forth.
Unidentified fish in shops can be a nightmare, – if they are really unidentifiable, or mixed, – but they can also be really beatiful and interesting. The so called blue line ‘variation’ which sometimes is very often to be found, resembles a bit deissneri, but is not of course, – yet its one of the most beatiful fish, and one of the more common at one time as far as I know. These – even though not clearly identified as a species, could be really important in our understanding of the development of the interrelatedness of species.. indeed perhaps it may even be a species in itself, but not yet recognised as such ..I hope I making sense, – and I hope I am not too far from what other wise paro-people think, – I am not always getting these things completely right 🙂 .. but its just to say, that if you had the chance perhaps you should look at the ‘deissneri’. Who knows, perhaps it could even be 🙂 …
Just in the meantime untill we get some fish to you in Ireland ..I am quite sure people do different things.
I wouldnt worry about a waterchange, – I have often done it, and then afterwards realised there were eggs in the cave, or very young fry.
The thing is, – when I do a waterchange, I dont clean or any such thing, – I do a small waterchange only, – maybe only 20 procent or so. I leave everything as it is in the tank, leaves etc.
Of course, its good to be very careful and not stir the water too much.Another thing which could be said, is also, – that depending on what kind of tank it is, – perhaps it isnt really nessesary to do a water change ?
I dont do waterchanges every week at all, – in particular not in tanks with few fish, theres really not that big a need, in my opinion. So, depending on the situation in your tank, you could also choose to leave the water change a little bit.The temperature is fine, – theres no need to do more about that.
Regarding feeding, in my understanding two times is far too much.
Paros are really fish that are very hardy when it comes to food. In their natural habitat food can be very little in periods, so they can survive (and does often in nature) with very low supply of food.
I feed mine once a day, – but many I think feed every second day. In some ways this could even be more healthy.
Unless of course there are fry in the tank, these needs more food.Paros are not used to so much food, and it may be even unhealthy to over-feed with two times a day. Certainly is not their natural way of eating.
Hello Chris.
I have some experience with nagyi, – and I think what happens is that all of the fish are just maturing.
When the male is getting mature, and ready to find a female, – it is natural for him to turn more dark and ‘dress up’ as you call it. It is also natural for him to chase the female, sometimes it may appear ‘agressive’ but in this way it will help the female to also mature and become ready to produce eggs. With nagyi I find this proces very fasinating and not too hard, – the males are often very eager to inspire the female, but doesnt get really ‘rough’. And the proces is natural, I am sure the female prefers the stronger male, but of course she will try to run away a little.The less mature male, – is likely to remain less dominant as long as there another stronger male present. If the tank is big enough its not a problem, – in smaller tanks it also happens sometimes, and you can find a less dominant male that spends his whole life in the back of tank and you think he must have died, – but he is still there, he just hides very good. The dominant male of course will also show his ‘aggression’, – you would then notice a more dark/greyish colour. But I would not worry about any of the fish being hurt, paros are not agressive like that, (even they look like it :)) ..
If you were to take one of the males out, I would definitely take the less mature male. I think it may be that the female is not yet mature enough to produce eggs, – so she avoids it. But being ‘pushed’ a little will make her mature quicker.🙂 .. well, well … long story, hope you understand my fish-logic
Thanks for letting us know, hachge.
I wrote an email to you adressing this, but will also write here.It seems the adress which you translated in that reminder is quite fine, – so this will mean that its not likely that the same should have happened to others. It must be something else which went wrong.
I will enter the status of your stock in the Census which will be uploaded on the homepage, so this way the information will not get lost.
Hello malikmoloch
Welcome to the forum. I just approved your message, from now on it will be visible immidiately.I am sorry to hear about your loss of females, – to me it does not seem that the reason should be the ph – even 6.2 would not have this effect.
Unless the ph is behaving very unstable, or if you have just got the fish and they came from very different water quality, – or if the adjusting time has been too low ?Otherwise, it would be possible also for paros to live in 6.2 ph.
There are many methods of bringing down ph – I use oak extract, that is very easy, and it works well for me.
But there are many factors involved also, – in bringing down ph, but also in keeping it down. Here its also a matter of what other things you have in the tank, perhaps something drives the ph up again .. substrate, stones, whatever …
Perhaps you could tell us more about the set up …
I actually moved your post to American section, – perhaps someone will respond with regards to the alfredi question.
This subject has been discussed here many times, – and I think theres a lot of information if you searched forum. Also theres an article in our link section in english (look under live food articles, theres one on dafnia)
I too have for the moment given it up, its possible, but I think there are many different ways, and each person seems to find their own way in which they are able to keep the cultures for at least some time.
My own experience is that you need to be careful not to use tap water, but use aquarium water. Then lightning is important, as well as regular change of water (not tap). Then its really difficult to say what is the right amount of food, – I always use yeast, – I have tried many other things, – but yeast seems to be the one working for me.
Hay 🙂 .. well, it may be theoreticly true, but I think it will not work in this kind of setting, – a culture of dafnia will not get enough food from that, – and also, in my experience it will make it really difficult to seperate dafnia from all the hay stuff when you want to use the dafnia.But again, – look around here, or other places on the internet, – it should be possible to find information about it.
And then of course, I think theres quite a difference between dafnia (ordinary) and moina. Moina are real difficult. What I am talking about here is Moina.
Ordinary dafnia, I have that in large containers in my garden, and I do nothing to feed or change water, – that is all done by nature and works quite well.
But moinas are a different thing
