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I know its a little late, but here are some photos from the meeting in Hamburg. They have kindly been provided by Rafael. If anyone is unhappy with a photo please let me know. But I think it was such a good meeting and its nice to show a little of the atmosphere.
Rafael in front of our fine poster
Everyone listening very nicely
Peter at the lecture
Horst Linke
Bill and Klaus
Dorothee
Fish
There are now – again – some more new information regarding this particular species.
I was contacted by Martin Hallmann, who told me that he believes this particular species is very much like the fish he once had, – which was P.cf. alfredi ‘Kota Tinggi’. Martin also send me some photos of the fish he had some years ago, – and I have to say the resemblance is very striking.
Martin wrote some thoughts regarding why he consider this identification to be more right than p.tweediei, – and he also gave me permission to explain this in forum (together with the photos) he send, – but I simply have to admit, that my understanding of the german is not good enough – as well as my understanding of the different problems around identification of species, so I am afraid of saying too much about this, – I might get it wrong. I have uploaded two of Martins photos in the ‘other forms menu’ under sp.alfredi Kota Tinggi.
I know from Peter, that there still could be some questions which could be asked regarding whether this is p.tweediei or p. alfredi and its perhaps not just the question of which is more right or not, – but perhaps also a question of how one looks at the whole question of identification.For me its just good to hear the different opinions, I can certainly see, that it makes sense to see this fish as P.cf.alfredi.
The next problem in this is to really decide what to do, – and how to go on about it in Census. At the moment I report the fish by the name it had from the shop, and keep it as such in order not to loose ‘track’ of it. But I also spoke to Peter about that it cannot be right to continue to report a species by an obvious ‘wrong’ identification.We’ll see. I will let you know what the next development is. For me, its mainly a proces of learning through all this, – the fish is still beautiful no matter what it is, – and it doesnt change anything much whether its one or the other, – but I have learned a lot through this fish about the difficulties around the species tweediei, rubrimontis, alfredi 🙂 …
🙂 perhaps he didnt count the weeks before he actually saw them :blink:
But some fry do grow rather quick, – I know that sometimes it seems to take ages, but some species I would say 3 months is enough to reach the size your fish has. They look grown up, adult yet probably smaller in size. But possible to sex them though.
They look fine and healthy, – interesting fish.You can see a thread about the development of fry here https://www.parosphromenus-project.org/en/forum/17-Pictures/1563-close-up-of-fry.html?start=12 – note the last photo of a male app. 4 months old.
I have the same conditions for all my fish (except parvulus, which I keep in a bit lower ph)
but otherwise no big difference concerning humic substances, softness etc.
I had the same problem once with harveyi, and at that time started a thread on the subject.
You can read that here https://parosphromenus-project.org/en/forum/4-Breeding/1364-p-harveyi-males-only.htmlWith these p.tweediei, there are females, but majority males. This was an unsual big hatch for me, around 40 fry. The harveyi batches was also big.
Most of the times when I breed extensive there seems to be a more normal and even distribution of male females.Sorry to hear that, Rafael, – I am glad at least the ‘pair’ was a pair.
I hope then that you will get fry and hopefully more females then. I have a 60 liter with ‘excess-males’, – I simply have too many. And it actually goes well, it becomes a little bit of a ‘display-tank’ then, with boraras also. The males get by, – they each find a little place to guard. I also give them caves, even there are no females, and some of the more dominant males occupy the caves.
With your pair – did you provide them with a cave ?
I find that sometimes, if you have a pair, they can stay ‘inactive’ for a long time but if you suddenly give them an attractive option as a cave, they suddenly get much more in the mood for spawning.🙂 This species is a tricky one. As I have been writing I had a very succesfull spawning with it, with about 40 fry. Of these most unfortunately was males, but a few females luckily.
I have kept some of them in a 60 liter tank, – mostly males, – and when I have seen these together they still only show a little red. Some of the very subdued males almost show no red.
But today I have found a male and female that were clearly showing mating behaviour in this big tank, and I have seperated them into a small tank.
Even it was a bit stressfull to catch them (finding the right male and the female) it took less than five minutes in the little tank before they were in and out of the new cave 🙂
And now I clearly see the red and the resemblance to p.tweediei is much more striking.
The species is in the last Census as P.tweediei (Ruinemans 2013) – and I am not so much in doubt about that anymore.
This is the species which we actually also talked about – and I showed a few photos of – at our recent meeting in Hamburgseptember 2015 –
This protection does help !
We still have these spammers every now and then, but we are able to stop them. This is good.The downside is:
Sometimes it has happened that I have overlooked a post which needs to be approved, and this is unfortunate.So new users, – please – if you do not see your post after a little while, please write me at helene.schoubye@parosphromenus-project.org
Paros in display tanks are really contradictory to all we do, and what would be possible with the species of parosphromenus. They do not thrive in tanks meant for big kind of displays, where the idea is that the viewer should be able to view the fish and see the beauty of the fish. With parosphromenus tanks it is impossible to make this kind of display because the surroundings in which the fish thrive and show their beauty is in dark tanks with hiding places.
It is a project which is doomed to not work well.About the particular mention of a Zoo in UK, – the only one I know of which has shown an interst in paros, is Chester Zoo, – I am not aware that they have any tanks with display of paros.
They have been involved with breeding paros for some time with quite an astonishing result.
They also have a beginning cooperation with the Parosphromenus Project, – but this is nothing to do with using parosphromenus for the intention of display, but much more to become involved in some kind of breeding programme with some of the species which are more threathened than others.
We are at the moment only in the beginning of this cooperation, so we cannot say precisely in what way it will develop, but it is a cooperation which I believe could be very valuable to the Parosphromenus Project, and we are looking very much forward to whatever could develop in the next years.But that doesnt change the fact, that your question, Maurice, about whether some sort of public display of paros could be found anywhere, in Europe or in your country, – can only be answered by saying that it really is a contradiction to think of paros as suitable for public display. They are not suitable at all for that.
:silly: now I get it, – the names are just a little bit familiar. Thank you for correcting me. I have learned it now.
Hi Jootje67
This was the first International Meeting of the Parosphromenus Project, – so the very first time.This time it was held at the same place and in the same weekend as the IGL, and we shared some of the lectures, – but it was two different meetings.
We are hoping to, but we dont know yet when and how or where, – but if possible we certainly will make another International Meeting.I would like add that it is great to hear that people have returned back safely, also Bill from Florida, – such a long trip to take.
The members who participated came from Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, UK, USA, Poland
(One special note: Henning Rohlfs, who took part in the meeting – please contact me,if you read this – I cannot read your email adress ;))
Just a litte comment – you can see an example of such a ‘bottle’ as Peter is describing here (in our food article ;))
https://parosphromenus-project.org/en/prachtgurami-aquaristics/food.htmlThank you, RafEg, It is really interesting, and you are right it does give a good overview of the development and its easy to use.
And as you say it there are very interesting improvements, – also in the number of participants from the first years.I did spot one mistake actually, which is really either mine or Bennies, not yours – I dont know if you can correct it, – if not its just to be remembered and I have written to Bennie.
The linkei I reported in 2015 have been listed under p.linkei (sukamara) and they should have been under p.cf.linkei.
I noticed since p.cf.linkei seems to have gone in 2015 and in fact I have a lot swimming in my tanks. Its just a formal little mistake, – we will correct it later.
