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The middle photo to me looks like paludicola all right. The other two photos are not possible to id.
Paludicola also is a species where it makes sense with the import from Thailand as their natural habitat is in the very north of Malaysia bordering to the South of Thailand. They do look thin and not too good. Please be careful providing good water quality ? and good food. Sounds like you are doing that. Paludicola is very very rarely in Trade.Thanks Phillip. Yes, it takes a lot of practising to take photos of paros. I would also say parvulus and ornaticuada are not the easiest species to capture – so well done
Those are p.nagyi.
When I saw the photo I thought that the fish looked really sick, but reading on I understand its a stressed fish, – why pull it off a nest with eggs ? It stresses the male a lot.
Anyway, – why are you only getting a few surviving fry, – there could be many reasons …
1) you havent yet noticed 🙂 … sometimes theres a lot of fry but you dont see them before they are really about 1 cm. In particularly if you have leaves and stuff in the tank
2) you are having the female in the tank, and she has a tendencency to eat her off spring. It happens
3) do you feed the fry ?Hello there.
Its a pity that nobody has answered your question, – I will try to answer as best I can.
First I can say that no, of course nothing has changed in terms of how paros are best kept.What you describe sounds mostly okay, – but what is sodium bisulphate and why use that ??
You should definety add some leaves, for tannin but also for the fish to feel comfortable. Bare bottom is not in my mind the best always.
Regarding your question about feeding, – are you using live brine shimps ? Is that what you mean by baby brine shimps ??
Of course it depends on how many fish you have, – but for one tank with a few fish, you really dont need a lot. I feed every second day, – and only feed live artemia, – and I just add a tiny bit to each tank.
But its really difficult to say, – I doubt that is the reason that they died, unless you didnt feed live food.There are a number of things that can go wrong keeping paros, so the reasons could be many
Hi Pktybs
It would indeed also have been very surprising to see p. quindecim for sale in a shop. Wonder how come they suddenly come up with that name.
Its easy to rule out deissneri. That would be equally rare, – and it would have to show the spike tail, which is easy to see.P. nagyi is possible, – but again also quite recognizable, but of course the males will need to be mature. However if you have had them for 2 months, I would feel that you would have by now at least seen a glimpse of the brownish nagyi typical colouration.
sp. blue line, sp. bintan is probably more likely. These are fish that we see rather often, there are many variations, – so therefore the chance that it may be a variation is bigger than it actually being p.bintan. But they will belong to that type of fish.
I am sure, anyway, that Bill Little should be someone who might indeed know if anyone else has bought and seen some of the ‘p. quindecim’ at wet spot.🙂 – good that you think so, Dorothee.
But we dont agree. To me its different because of the nature of this forum, being connected to the Project of the creating awareness of the endagered species. Because of this I see it as more than a forum about fish-keeping, etc. – and for this reason I wish there was more activity.
To me, the strength of a project such as ours also relies a lot on the activity and networking of a group of people with the same aim.
But as you say, maybe there are times when activity needs to be at a low point and may return.
Oh, and I should remember to say 🙂 …
Kind regards Helene (forgetting that I am logged in as parosphr)Hi Shane.
I would like to welcome you to this forum, – I am very happy to see you here, and glad to here that you have caught an interest in our small paro species.
I have had the interest and been committed to this project for many years now, – and is also a member of the Steering Group as well as webmaster.
I have seven species at home, – but in Denmark theres very far between people who share this interest, – so it is sometimes difficult, both to aquire and to also give on offspring etc. But then I have of course been lucky that Denmark is not too far from Germany, and Hamburg, where Bernd Bussler lives, – he is a fantastic source for our fish.Your purchase of p. bintan is one of the more usual reports from trade. There are often p. bintan or more likely p.bintan like species – which is with or without location, – and most often we cannot really trust that the information given is accurate. Often the fish is difficult to determine precisely later on, but in many cases the fish can be beautiful and really worth while.
Often also, these uncertain purchases is the only source of requiring fish which people has, as only very few shops have them. If you know the owner there, you may talk to him about looking more closely at the import lists, – there might be species there which are more easily determined, such as anjunganensis, linkei and others. Its a great advantage to know the owner and to have someone be ‘on your side’ 🙂Now, – you ask a question, is this forum really active ?
To this I will answer you – honestly, no, – not really. I will add …. most unfortunate.
I do not precisely know why.
Sometimes there has been much more activity, and mostly I also experience, that if someone asks a question, there will be answers, – but many seems to not really look in here regularly.
The Parosphromenus Project has grown quite a bit over the last years, and we do have many members, and we do get new members regularly. We also can say that some of our activities, such as private travels, new findings, contacts to institutions etc, – these things do develop.
But the forum part, – the active communication by people, and the real network creating seems to at least at the moment be at a ‘low’ point. I personally, at this present time, is really thinking a lot about how to change this, – but I dont have any good answers.
I do think that many members – unfortunately – finds facebookgroups to be more easy and fast to find answers, – and that facebook is more easy accessable than a regular forum.
Facebookgroups unfortunately does not accumulate knowledge in the same way as a forum, which is why we have hesitated to create one linked to this site.🙂 … as you may understand, this question of yours has hit something which is on my mind a lot, and I wish I could say that we are a very active forum 🙂 … I cant.
Instead I would welcome you and say, – lets make it a more active forum 😉 … just ask if you have questions, and there will certainly be answers.
Also I can say, you can search in our forum, and you will that there has been many interesting debates over time.Hi Paul, and very welcome here.
I agree to your own thoughts regarding the belonging to the bintan-harveyi group, – but that is probably also the best we can say at the moment.
I bought some paros in Copenhagen a few months ago, – they look really similar to yours.
With this kind of fish we will likely not be able to really pinpoint which type, sp. etc that it is, – at least not untill we have a really good photo of a flashing ‘adult’ male in full colour. That may help.
Theres also always a chance that even they look like some of the types we know, – they may even be different – another variation.
The fish I have, actually are really really beautiful and strong fish. They were ‘said’ to be from Sumatra, – but then of course they were also labelled as sumatranus :blink: in the first place. That just shows you how difficult it is.If you live in Manchester you may know one of our members John Walsh, who also live in Manchester, – perhaps he may be able to help you with a better id at some time. I can give you his adress if you wish to, – will send it in a mail then.
Well, it was just meant as a little bit of a joke, – or a emergency solution. But as you can see, I have done this 🙂
By the way, this is my livingroom, and I also live with someoneGood, I am glad to hear that we are not entirely disencouraging you 🙂
For me the way it could be done which I would have no hesitation about would have been if for example you had lived near me and you could have had some of the 100 linkei which I have.
1. Linkei is rather big and more robust of all paros
2. Linkei is a good fish to learn about paros for this reason. Paros are not difficult once you get to know it, they really are not, – but when you first start, they are to some extend. It is always not a bad idea to start with linkei and learn from these
3. Linkei are beautiful, really beautiful
4. We have / I have and many others do, many linkei, they breed more easily than other species. It is not a species which will be in danger of dissappering suddenly. Many members of the project are breeding these, I am also still to some extend.
5. I am unable to have anyone take my linkei, I simply have too many. I am actually these days thinking that I will probably set up a larger tank for the linkei, – probably I would go with 80 or 100 liter, but I cannot keep having this many fish in small tanks. So it would be a win-win situation
6. You could start with a rather large group. I have just learned from our Hamburg meeting, that paros in nature lives in flocks, small perhaps, but they do thrive in groups, – but what is a group.? For a large tank like that, in my opinion you should have at least 20 or more.
In my 60 liter, which I refurnished yesterday I had to put in 26 linkei,- and then I stopped and thought, no thats enough. I had to for space reasons.
7. If you had any chance of transporting fish from Copenhagen, you would be most welcome.That said, – I know its probably not possible, but it was also just to let you know that I would not at all think it is impossible.
A 240 liter beautifully decorated and planned tank, with a large group of p. linkei could work well.
HeleneHmm … well, I didnt excatly mean that. I appreciate you have done a lot of preparation, and are doing great research.
But it is a large tank for paros, – it really is. It may be fine, but breeding will be difficult, I really think so.
If they cannot go into the big tank, will you then not think about paros then ?I think I am reading between the lines, that you may not think it is easy to keep the small tanks – and I admit, with other species I may also have had the experiences of endless problems with waterquality, too much food, etc etc – but really in paro-aquaristic you will find that it is not really near as problematic.
Breeding paros mean you have one tank with two (very small) fish, male and female. You dont feed of course dry food, or frozen food, – you feed live food, and you dont feed very much (thats an important point of course). Paros dont need a lot of food. So you dont have heeps of too much food rotting. Even the fry, you feed them microworm for example, – in a small tank they will find the microworms even if you dont overfeed the whole tank.
If you need to change some water, you use a small tube, you dont of course vacuum the bottom at all, you change water carefully and its fine.
In a small tank once you see the male in the cave with the eggs, you can more easily catch the female out carefully, and then the male with stay with his duties untill the eggs have developed and after a week and a half, he will no longer be needed.
From that point on, even in a small 12 liter tank, you will think you have no fry at all. You dont see them, for weeks perhaps, they are that small. But they are probably there, – and you just keep adding a little bit of microworms, – and after a few weeks or even before, a little bit of artemia. Perhaps after two weeks one day you suddenly spot one 2 mm. fry sneaking out to get an artemia.In a big tank, – you will never see the fry. They may of course survive, a few, – then you will suddenly in two months time see a 1 cm long fish, and you will be quite surprised, because you were certain there werent any.
Perhaps you can take out the cave from the bigger tank and transfer to a smaller, perhaps. I would think that was a risky operation.
And 🙂 … I dont want to continually take away your optimism, but to catch a paro in 240 planted or decorated tank — :S :dry: :whistle: …I would – in your case – as you are getting fish from Bernd, have a seperate certain pair, put these into a small tank, – if you have no space you can have them on top of the big tank 🙂 .. I do that because of lack of space. Try with the rest in the big tank and see how it works there. Then when you have fry from the couple, put the pair also in the tank if it works well.
Kind regards Helene
