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Your description, Bartian, suggests, that there has happened a mixture, indeed. Whether in the shop or even in Asia already, one will never know. But we cannot be sure. A clear indication is not the colours of the ventrals, but their structure. That must be nearly identical with males and females. Even the two males don’t need to have been different species. Sometime, a dominant male is much more colourful than another one, being suppressed a long time. It might develop.
But the given location is strange: “Borneo”. It can be a mistake, naturally. But surely, there are Borneo-species sometimes traded, and some are rather similar to bintan and bintan-like forms. For instance opallios. And there are other Paros with a rounded caudal from Borneo which are not yet described. It may happen that some occur suddenly in trade in between other species. So we cannot be sure. But your description fits spec. Sentang and that form is the most traded Paro during the last years. But it’s location is the Sentang area on Sumatra only, I am sorry!
So, you have an interesting task: Try to breed your fish. If it works, both parents can be of different species nevertheless. But then the two are closely related. Or even identical. So let’s wait for spawning and offspring! Good luck! PeterThat’s a clear indication for spec. Sentang. It’s the species/form with the least striking colours and the most traded form since 2009. It is traded with various names, from “deissneri” (of course, most are called “deissneri”), but also “bintan”, aff. bintan or cf. bintan, “blue line”, eben “spec. Sungai Bertam”. The latter is clearly defined (and was after having first found by Linke 2007 traded for several times), as is – of course – the first. The spec. blue line is often mistaken for it, and cofused with it, too, but there are clear distinctions: blue line is much more colourful, with striking blue colours and clear iridiscent lines in the male. The location is different, too (“Sungai Tuncal”), but it’s a Sumatra-species as nearly all licorice gouramis that are traded in the last three years (with very few exceptions). However, I myself have seen so-called “blue-lines” with very different colouring and structural shape; there is clearly a mixture made by the catchers already, with the exporters in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and – especially – Bangkok, at the latest. The importers in Europe and America receive that mixture and call it as the fish are called by their partners in Asia.
Since we don’t know the genetic differences we should keep all these forms apart. They are most clearly narrow relatives to bintan, maybe genetically identical, but probably already differentiated to an unknown extent.
In our last census (Spring 2012) which I just have received and will distribute still this week our experts Chr. Hinz and U. Küster were unable to clarify the replies concerning blue line and Sentang (and many deissneri, too), and have listed those two with the summarizing name “aff. bintan from Sumatra”, although the fish are phenomenologically separated. But they haven’t seen the fish but the replies of their owners, only. And there are sill some friends who think to have deissneri but that’s an error. Only one case has been left that really may refer to an import of that species living on Bangka island, and on that island there normally are no commercial catchers. Therefore, we have only one clear pair of deissneri left; I have seen it myself at Helene Schoubye’s tanks at the end of April; she gave it to Bernd Bussler, and now he is trying to propagate it. They regularly spawn, but after two days the eggs are gone. But they are not infected by funghi, and this means that they are most likely fertilized. So Bernd still hopes to solve the problem. Otherwise, Bernd and Christian will go to Bangka and try to find some.And good to see your reply, Kevin. We have still no details but the meeting in Hamburg next year will definitely take place. We need attractive speakers, so all who read this should help with inviting good experts from our three continents.
I think it should be a fall-date, maybe October. But we must be sure not to create a conflict with other fish-events.Martin: This is new to me. P. filamentosus has been distributed by trade in former years but I have not heard of any shippings this year so far. On the other hand it’s rather likely that this fine species is in the trade once again. If you can get hold of one or two pairs you should take them if they look healthy. With Parosphromenus you never know: Every time it could be the last occasion.
And mind: P.anjunganensis is at present available in different European countries; the origin seems to be(Glaser)(D) and/or Ruinemans (ND). I have seen photos and can confirm: it’s anjunganensis, but some fish that I have seen were in very bad condition. I think they live since long in wrong waters and are not fed accurately. But I have seen healthy individuals in between.
The other “species” is always the same thing: “deissneri” that never are deissneri. Today, they are mostly spec. Sentang from Sumatra. Or “blue line” (a mere trade’s name including different fish of the bintan-group, but obviously always coming from Sumatra. If you could have a look you should do that, but it is highly improbable that it’s any of the well-described species. But if you do not have spec. Sentang already, if the fish are different, then it might advisable too to take some home.And a request to all readers in Europe: Please have a look in your country if you can confirm the presence of anjunganensis and possibly filamentosusand other species/forms! And tell us and our friends here!
OK, OK, I have understood. You girls and boys like licorice and you think it’s a fitting name and the Paros could be satisfied being named this way, and – especially – if one wanted to change that there would be no good prospects whatsoever. And “pompous”, no, by no means something like that. Mike certainly is right in reminding me on the really true problem: the fate of being a “difficult fish”. Should/could we do something against that? I just tried so in a German journal, saying that aquaria for these gouramis are not more difficult to be cared for than the “normal” tanks but only different. You must change your habits, but you don’t need many of the stuff offered for the normal tank today: dry industrial food every four weeks, a big, expensive filter station, an expensive carbon dioxide station, water additives and so on. But again I admit: You cannot change people who are not willing to think anew. So, it will be a “fate” adhering to our fish, to be difficult.
OK, licorice gouramis for ever. (You think that I am not quite convinced? Well, but it doesn’t matter; we call them Prachtguramis, you call them licorice gouramis, that’s the state of the art and the state shall be fixed …)Mark Denaro wrote in the European section on this:
“Great news on both counts. We should all make comments requesting the Paros articles on the Amazonas Facebook page. It is very active and they seem to monitor it quite closely. If enough of us do that it may tip the scale.
I hope you are able to publish an English version of the book. I’m looking forward to that!
I should have an article on Paros in Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine later this year as part of my column on labyrinth fish.
Mark”Good idea to write comments on the “Amazonas”-facebook-page requesting the articles on Parosphromenus in the English-language edition, too! This would be an opportunity to show ALFA being an active organization already.
Since I organized that issue on Parosphromenus, I know of the high quality of the articles by Martin Hallmann on behaviour and the structure of the genus, by Horst Linke on his recent travels to known and unknown habitats in West-Malaysia, Bangka and Sumatra, and by master-breeder Günter Kopic on his methods. He was the first to breed nearly all species a short time after their first appearance in Europe. My own article, the fourth in the series, is less interesting. It characterizes the Parosphromenus-project (and you all know what that is).
In Europe, the (German) edition will appear in March.As of now, the issue has been solved by Joomla support.
It seems however, to be – something which has nothing to do with this site in itself, but a rather tecnical thing which they call a ‘bug’ – meaning a tecnical thing in the programming which is way beyond my understanding.
In fact, it seemed, there was a dot too much in some programming line 🙂 – which is either Joomla or Kunena Forum’s responsibility. These things seems to happen in the it-world.Unfortunately the issues has been solved for now, – but will return when Joomla updates next time. So in the meantime I will still have to figure out how to avoid it happening again.
Dear all.
I have moved this post to another category, so that if any of you have any comments please feel free to write so.
This error unfortunately is still there, which means that we cannot post any posts in any thread which exceeds one page, – but I want to update you on the issue, so that you do not think nothing is being done. It is indeed !
I unfortunately cannot do anything about it myself, – so my only obtion has been to contact the Joomla support, who normally are good at fixing things. This error – however – they have asked me to give them some time to look into. This has now been 4 days, – of course it has been over Christmas and New Year, – but I sincerely hope they will look into soon.
Untill then I hope you have patience with us.If you have any idea or can offer any help, you are most welcome to write to me on postmaster@parosphromenus-project.org
Many regards Helene Schoubye, webmaster, –
Dear C. Way, P. Yap (Singapore) is always a good address for licorice gouramis in south-east Asia; mailto: aa123@singnet.com.sg
Accidentally Prof. Dr. Peter Beyer pays him today (December 11th) a visit! I know by him that Yap actually has P. nagyi in stock, probably other species too.
You could also try Abdul Sahal (Kalimantan); mailto: xtrembetta@yahoo.co.id
In Germany we have actually more than 12 species offered by 10 private private breeders. It’s ridiculous that in the home countries ogf these fish it is much more difficult to get hold of them!
Good luck!For help on how to upload images using Photo Bucket, you can also see the Help section here in Forum
Hi Lisbet.
Thank you for the beautiful video’es.
I edited in your post so that the videoes showed properly up.
(You actually just have to insert the url, not the embedded code)Dear users of The Parosphromenus Project Forum.
Today – 24/5-2011 we have made the following changes in the forum :
Instead of having two logins (one at the front-page + the Forum login) we have now integrated the two of these, so that there
no longer will be any confusion as to which login you have to use.
From now on, you always have to log in at the frontpage, and then you will automaticly also be logged in to the Forum.So when you no longer can find the little forum login any more it is because we have taken this away and we dont need it anymore.
Kind regards Helene, webmaster
