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Dear Arno,
I wish I could go there as well but my studies make this impossible unfortunately…However, I just had an idea:
A swiss Aquarist who wants to start breeding paros has contacted the project and was redirected by Bernd to me, askig to get fish soon. U fortunately my tweediei as well as linkei have recently had unequal sex distributions in their offspring resulting in me not being able to provide the fish he asked for. Dorothee whom I contacted as well is not either but now that I read your message here I would like to give him your mailaddress. Maybe he will make it to Friedrichshaven and can get some of your numerous linkei or quindeciem… (?)If you could give me your email (i think I lost it since hamburg) maybe we can arrange that…
Greetings to the Allgäu
RafaelI think they do well in principle but again you will have problems either of their fry. Paros are sinply not really suitable for community tanks
That sounds good! If they are only two centimeters long, it will take another few weeks to months for them to fully mature and then you will be able to take pictures in full display enabling mich better determination. However, if you, as I hope, are going to participate in the census I would suggest you simply call them what you think they are – eg. bintan ct. (ct being commercial trade) you could also ask the reseller to find out what location they were caught at. This might help as well.
Your feeding is good however do not overfeed them. They do really only need small amounts of food and every leftovers threaten to spoil the water quickly.
Greetings Rafael
Its great to hear that you dtarted paro aquaristics and I hope you and your fish will be doing great. At least some of the fish in your pictures are still rather young. Once they mature completely and color up more they will be more easy to determine. How many fishes do you have?
I think that indeed in some of the pictures one of the females shows “sexy eyes” – the vertical black line theough the eye. If this intensifies and the flashing of the male becomes more frequent, they will soon build a nest. However you mainly need to focus on feeding now so that the females will soon grow eggs…
Greetings Rafael
Dear Maestro,
Your tank does indeed look very good! It is parially surprising that your plants grow so well… many (including myself) experience little growth and sometimes algae overtaking most of a tank. But you seem to be lucky! Also your male looks beautifully colored.The tank you have is definitely large enough even for larger groups producing offspring. My tweediei are currently in a 25 liter tank and a 20 l. In the larger one, at least 4 males and 4 females are adult and from time to time, some of the offspring grow up. I guess at the time there are about 8 adults and 5+ subadults in it without problems.
I would only maybe consider not interbreeding your new bintan with the old cf. bintan male in case that they are not the same form/species. In that case you could easily keep the male with the other fish in your larger tank.
The main problem with keeping paros with other species is that often, freshly hatched offspring will be eaten by the other fish. H. amandae wont hesitate going after yout bintan fry i guess. Therefore, species tanks are favorable unless you know that there are always enough offspring to keep your stock alive.
Greetings Rafael
Hi
Well deah that tank is huge for paros… we know from some reports that such an idea can work but not necessarily with breeding. One of the points that seem important to me is the idea of keeping other species with the paros. This I would not advise you to do or at least not in the beginning until you have made experiences with breeding and more importantly raising paros. Other fish such as boraras are very active in hunting food. Paros are not. Sometimes the artemia or whatever you might want to feed seem like they had to swim into their mouth before they will catch it. Of course there is a certain hunting instinct but the smaller and quicker fish are likely to eat everything before the paros even start feeding.Nevertheless this is a beautiful tank!
Hey,
Sorry, haha I was wrong with the species 🙂
Well that sounds great! I also try to keep the paros in natural environments with plenty of wood and leaves. I have made the experience that in such a tank as long as it is large enough you dont even have to isolate juveniles to raise them successfully. Of course some are going to disappear and usually as long as there is a bunch of young fishes no new babies will survive because of food concurrence between the larger younsters and the newly hatched. Also I often only realise there is fry when they are already reasonably large and out of the most difficult days. Some 5mm fish do not need isolation from the olders since they are too big and can flee pretty well from potential cannibalistic tankmates. I am looking forwards to reading from your experiences.
Yeah the forum has bevome quiet in the past months. But I think there are still plenty of people reading and i. The near future I guess some of the results from the meeting at Hamburg from the past weekend will appear here so I am confident there is going to be more activity
Hi,
Its great to hear that you decided to go for harveyi! You would most likely have been strongly disappointed but paros can really be managed with some planning and also learning by doing.
What orther fish have you bred? Are you familiar with blackwater tanks?
I hope you will enjoy the trip to Hamburg. Its definitely worth it and Bernds breeding station is simply impressive. If you have any further uncertainties about it, feel free to ask!
Greetings Rafael
Hi Daniel,
Your fish are indeed still rather young. They could therefore perhaps be any of the phoenicurus/tweediei/rubrimontis group simply judging from the coloration. For a species determination the fish need to grow for at least some weeks or rather a few months. Once they start displaying and mating you will likely be able to get better Determination.
Your pictures are very good by the way!
Time will also shof if you actually have both sexes. Nevertheless I think that you likely have both in the pictures. If you compare the dorsal and ventral fins, the fins of second fish seem to be less round. That might be an early indication. If these were some of my tweediei I’d be pretty sure this is a couple 🙂
However Id suggest you temporarily name them phoenicurus as the importer did. This is at the moment our best clue.
Greetings Rafael
Deal Peter,
It Wohls be an Honorar Form eines to präsent the Resultat in Hamburg. Ba Thun I will have addiert also the Resultat of the upcoming April-Census.
Greetings
Hey,
From the pictures it is rather difficult to tell what sexes they are.
If they were malnuritioned, the males may not color up completely. Nevertheless, it is usually easy to tell linked-sexes apart because of the long fins and colours of males. If your tank size allows it, order another batch of them and hope for the best. Otherwise you could also wait a few weeks if maybe one will still develop to look like a male…Greetings Rafael
Congratulations to Wentian! This is an important step for our project! It proves that it is actually possible to get ahead. I am hoping that the fish will make their way safely to some good breeder and that soon we will be having a good new stock of these “first ever found” species. It would have been a lot of history that would have been lost If they had been extinct
Dear Helene,
thank you for that comment!
Yes you are definitely right in what you say about these five species being so well…
Maybe I should also include some more basic data.
Therefore, I have sorted all present species according to the number of breeding pairs:Here, you can find also those species that are the most endangered.
Also, I want to include the full batch of data that shows every single datapoint for every species on every census: Here, developments for individual species are better visible.
You are also right that some species are very frequent with a few keepers. That is especially true for quindecim. Nevertheless, the total of over 100 pairs is by about one fourth caused by other keepers. So if it were not for this one person, quindecim would still be among the well off.
And yes I am looking forwards to talking about this issue in Hamburg again!
