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[quote=”Ekona” post=5007]
Also notice the black tones in the females unpaired fins, especially the pelvic fins (see photos below) – this was a new color pattern in a female paro, to my knowledge. So a video can help to show different characteristics that a photo might not always capture.[/quote]No, I don’t think that this is a feature not known in female paros. My P. nagyi female also shows very dark unpaired fins in full mating display, and the pelvic fin shows a black band at the outer rim. I don’t have a real good photo, but maybe you see what I mean on this one:
Very nice pictures again, Ekona!!
Very beautiful fish – even not showing their full colouration now. Very good photos, too. And rather interesting to watch the further development.
Thank you, Bernd.
So I think it cannot be excluded that we might have to do with an unknown form of pahuensis. This forces me to separate the new female and my old male – I think these two “forms” shouldn’t mingle. And it puts me in the need of a male of your pahuensis – otherwise I will now have two single individuals of two different forms living lonely in their tanks ……….. 🙁
Did you check if it is possible for you to give a pair or at least a single male to me? That would be great.
[quote=”Bernd Bussler” post=4981] the males are very dark red during courtship, rather Bordeaux, with a beautiful drawing in the fins. [/quote]
Thank you, Bernd, for this short description of the males – I haven’t seen such a dark wine-red as you describe it in my “normal” pahuensis males (all photos of pahuensis here in the “species” column are of my fish – there you can see what I mean). That makes me eager to see one of your males.
[quote=”Bernd Bussler” post=4981] I’ll have a look over the weekend how much and what gender I have, maybe I can give you then still in the short term make a pair, so we have at least once good pictures of the animals[/quote]
That would be really great – I would be pleased to make photos and post them here as soon as possible. I think it will be rather interesting for paro friends to see photos of both sexes of your “pahuensis form” ………. and to have a close look at the characters in question – do all show this short anal fin and that black spot in the dorsal fin?
Thank you, Peter, for your opinion.
As I understood his answer, all of Bernd’s pahuensis look different from what we actually know to be pahuensis. I don’t know how large his original stock has been, but if it were more than one pair looking like this, a genetical defect seems not very likely, doesn’t it?
I asked Bernd if he is able to give another pair of these fish to me. My “old” male is not of the same origin as far as I know – I got it from Thorsten Kolb. I would like to compare it to a male from Bernd.
If all of Bernd’s pahuensis look different in the same way, then maybe it’s a new, unknown form of pahuensis?Let’s wait and see what Bernd can tell us.
Really no comments? Am I the only one who thinks that this fish is conspicuous?
No – Bernd Bussler, too, finds it extraordinary and recommended to post it here, to ask for your opinion ……..Maybe I can get a further pair of this “pahuensis form” from Bernd……….
I would like to know how the males look like – and I then would be able to post a photo of a male.Some new photos of my cf. rubrimontis-“babies” ………..
I still have one pair and one single young male – and do not succeed in getting a female for the single male. According to the spring census, there are only two of us which still keep this form from “Mimbon 2008”. Rolf, the other keeper, unfortunately has no single females, too – he has two pairs, and that’s it.
So keep your fingers crossed for successful breeding of those three pairs left ………..I tried to get some photos using a flash this afternoon – still being not too successful (it can only get better, I promise 😉 ). The little female gets pale immediately when exposed to the flashlight, only the first photo shows a hint of her colouration: red unpaired fins with tiny white speckles and a slim blueish-white rim – just like it should be in pahuensis. The pale-golden body colour and the sexy eyes show her receptiveness.
But still there remains this white-rimmed black dot in the dorsal fin. And – absolutely striking to me – this exceptionally short anal fin.
Just to show the body profile:
For comparison – this is a young pahuensis female as I know it, still very shy, showing no colouration, the photo being overexposed – but see the anal fin:
I just got a private note from Peter Finke who drew my attention to the fact that I wrote something misleading about the new fish I will get tomorrow.
So – it’s not P. allani which I will get, but P. aff. allani “Lundu”. Sorry for this incorrect information.
Further Peter recommended to feed the fry to bigger fish ……….. 🙁 ……… because raising possible hybrids might cause chaos.
I think I will not do this – chaos can only arise if one implies that I do not keep track of what happens in my tanks or – much worse – intentionally mix (or sell!) fish which are hybrids or of uncertain species or origin. Seen from this angle I shouldn’t have kept the females of unknown species at all ………. then no one should keep fish with unknown species or origin. An intentional or unintentional confusion can always be implied.Hello,
I have now for longer not been active in this forum – which doesn’t mean that I haven’t been busy looking for my paros 😉 . They are all well, I have quite a few offspring of my quindecim, few of my nagyi and rubrimontis (and many of my Betta hendra …). And tomorrow I will get pairs of P. allani and P. harveyi and a female for my single pahuensis male – which I am really looking forward to!
I would like to tell some news about my “unknown girls”.
I had only male offspring of my P. nagyi “Pekan Nenasi”, – and neither found someone interested in buying only males, nor found someone willing to sell the suitable females to me (there seems to be a surplus of males of this form of P. nagyi everywhere).So I put one male into the tank with the two females of unknown origin and species. The male nagyi displayed at once – and the females responded. But I kept them together for more than a year and never saw a clutch or found any fry (which actually was nothing I hoped for – don’t get me wrong!).
In the meantime I sold my young males – all but one: I still have the male in the tank with the unknown females. Now I finally succeeded in getting a female P. nagyi from Pekan Nenas for this male – and so I emptied the tank yesterday and put the two females and the male nagyi each in separate tanks.
I didn’t expect any other life in the old tank – but, as I always do – I closely inspected the ground in shallow water before totally pouring it out.
You already know what I want to tell: There were 4 fry ………… approx. a few weeks old.
I succeeded in catching them – and now try to raise them in a separate tank.It was really not my intention to produce hybrids of unkown origin – I didn’t really expect the fish to produce viable fry and if, I expected the fry to be eaten.
But now that they are there I will try to raise them and maybe – if there are males among them – it will be possible to get a hint of which species their mothers belong to. Maybe the males will show an intermediate colouration ……… it might be easier to tell aberrant characters from a nagyi male than from some other paro males (e.g., nagyi show no red colouration – so red colouration will be highly conspicuous).I will report about the development of the fry – if you are interested.
Thanks, Helene, for showing the photos.
I must say – I find it extremely difficult to find important differences between these fish and mine so-called P. cf. rubrimontis Mimbon 2008. If I see differences, I am not sure if they are not only due to different quality/exposure of the photographs.
Look at this young male:
And the same fish a few weeks later:
I admit – I believe I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from your fish in an aquarium.
Looking at my quindecim, nagyi and pahuensis, which do not show this feature, and looking at my cf. rubrimontis Mimbon 2008 – which do – and looking further at some photos (e.g., in Peter Finke’s and Martin Hallmann’s book) – I dare to utter my impression (cum grano salis!) that it might be a feature restricted to the harveyi group (Formenkreis), in the broadest sense.
This is an interesting question – though I can not contribute to its solution.
I can only say that this feature can not be seen in all Paro species ………… e.g, I have never seen it in P. quindecim. Their eye rim is always pearly white. I dare to say that in female quindecim it helps to distinguish them from females of other species.
So I think that the colour and maybe moody colour variations of the eye rim might contribute to distinguishing different species/forms.
