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Thank you, Helene – I’ll keep this in mind. I am always aware of Oodinium – but I don’t think the dots are something other than true colouration, not whitish, but with a translucent greenish shimmer.
It was just that I thought about the female probably being another male ……. with the “true” male being nothing but kind of aggressive the whole time.
Hello,
I need some help of your experienced eyes again. As you know, I am a beginner with paros ………..
Is it normal in females of nagyi to have this cinnamon brown colour in the dorsal fin? I think this colouring has deepened in the last days. And what about those little shiny dots at the pelvic fins?[quote=”bartian” post=1385]A few posts below that two, of which the second indeed shows a “normal” filamentosus, is one more picture showing the new form.[/quote]
Oh, sorry – yes, you are right!!
[quote=”bartian” post=1380]On the IGL forum Martin Hallmann posted two more pictures, which looked even better. [/quote]
Hi, Bartian,
only the first picture of Martin Hallmann shows the new form. The second picture shows the “usual” filamentosus.
Hello again,
I just wanted to tell how it goes on: Since three or four days the female is wandering relaxed through the tank, no panicky flight anymore.
The male now is less to be seen, I am not quite sure whether it found a natural cave in the big piece of mangrove wood. The artificial caves (2 bamboo canes and a small clay pot) stay unnoticed.
Still, no sexy eyes, but can we call it a soft encounter?
In my opinion, the female shows a more rounded belly than before. And the caudal fin of the male is beginning to show colours as are right and proper. Sorry for the bad quality of the photo – I show it just by means of evidence …
[quote=”Peter Finke” post=1366]I did not write it in order to persuade single persons to buy more fish than their capacity allows. It’s helpful that you supplied that limit, of course.[/quote]
Good Morning, Peter,
no – don’t get me wrong – I didn’t mean to imply that you tried to persuade somebody!
I only wanted to correct the impression that it might be possible to order just one pair. Besides the fact that it is not recommendable to only order one pair, it’s the business conditions of Tropicwater that require a greater order anyway.
And unluckily this means to order 3 pairs of the paros at least …….. which would be wonderful, but requires additonal space, again……… So even if you had the room for one further pair, it’s all defeated by the business conditions …………… You can’t house three pairs, so you get none ………. 🙁[quote=”Peter Finke” post=1363]
Therefore I suggest to all who are interested in filamentosus which has been very rarely traded the last years or especially that variant (that has probably been traded only once before) to send a mail to info@tropicwater.eu and ask for details on the new cf. filamentosus especially as buying conditions and shipping is concerned. But you should not order a single pair alone. Living fish are always individuals, any two of them are different, and there are very strong and weaker/younger fish. Clearly, package and posting costs. But ask and try; it could be rewarding.[/quote]Hello, Peter,
Tropicwater don’t deliver orders below 50,00 € plus package and shipping – so it is not possible to order only one single pair of the filamentosus, anyway.
They often have very attractive species – but because of the minimum order value I refrained from ordering fishes there yet ……… It’s not primarily the money – it’s rather the lack of space for further aquariums … that keeps me from ordering fishes for more than 50 € at a time.[quote=”bartian” post=1343]
Nature always knows best, so I have a strong tendency to believe her.[/quote]Yes, that’s always been my principle, too.
But it’s like Peter says – paros never live in still waters with no flow. Even if it’s no raining season, there’s always a constant flow of seeping water trickling out of the forest grounds. They don’t live in totally stagnant water. And an aquarium with no water changes imitates stagnant water.
So I think it’s the best to change water regularly, but only in small amounts. To imitate the starting rain season (and thus the spawning period) we can change a greater part of the aquarium water. I use a sprinkling watering can to imitate rainfall.
I think this is the example nature gives us concerning paros.
Thank you, Helene and especially Peter for your exhausting statements.
Ok, I see – it’s a decision between your own laziness on one side and the much bigger efforts for accomplishing nearly ideal living conditions for the fishes on the other side.
For me the limit for my laziness would be the well-being of the fishes, even if they don’t breed. I think if someone is too lazy even for that – he shouldn’t keep fishes or animals at all. I understand that you see it in the same way.As I told before, I make weekly water changes of about 20 %, sometimes more, in all my aquariums. I have very few fishes in these tanks, too. I keep the Badis species as single pairs, the Pseudosphromenus are two pairs in a 120 liter tank. All fishes began to breed soon after moving into their new tanks – and it’s the same as you told, Peter: You immediately have very much fry in a (then!) rather small tank.
It’s a simple decision according to instinct to make my regular water changes: I have the impression that all inhabitants of the tanks enjoy the “rainfall” – even the shrimps which I keep besides in every tank.
And – to tell the truth – it’s a pleasure for me, too. It connects you to your aquariums, keeps you in close contact. That’s my feeling – maybe it sounds weird….. And I know that it’s kind of luxurious – I don’t have 33 tanks, I can still indulge myself in making weekly water changes in the few tanks I have.Ok – I’ll stay with that, making my weekly water changes.
And I will keep in mind, Peter, that doing less water changes is a trick to keep fishes from nonstop breeding. It’s a kind of dilemma I’m in: I want to keep my fishes in conditions that are as ideal as possible for them. When I succeed the fishes breed …. and breed ….. and too many fry in a tank decrease the quality of living conditions (apart from the difficulty to find new owners for the fry…). I am happy that my fishes breed – but too many fry give me a bad conscience……………
To come to an end: The question of too many fry is still purely hypothecial for me – concerning paros. Let’s see if I succeed in giving them the conditions to start breeding at all.
So you just refill the evaporated water? And never make water changes?
Here in Germany I know of a community of aquarists who never change the water in their tanks. There is an “Altwasser” (=old, unchanged water, I don’t know an English term for it) forum as well ….. very interesting.
The aquarium as a miniature eco system, with as little intervention as possible.
An appealing thought for somebody like me – already using only rain water and natural components – and no technics.What do the others think, and how is your water changing frequence?
Although it is over 10 months old – it remains an interesting question.
I wonder why nobody else contributed to this thread.I found it looking for informations about the intervals of water changes that paro breeders normally keep.
I have several tanks using no technical equipment, just some additional lighting in the winter months. No heating, no filter. My fishes are Badis species, Dario and Pseudosphromenus. Every week I change about 20% of the water in these tanks, and they run quite well.
Now, having my first paros, I found a number of forum posts or articles which say that paros do not like too frequent water changes. On the other hand – paros like very clean water with low conductivity.
How often do the experienced paro breeders here make water changes?
Thank you, Peter.
I can not say whether the female is still so slim – I haven’t seen her long enough. The picture is a week old.
I feed very freshly hatched artemia naupliae, Cyclops, micro and glass worms. I haven’t seen them pay any attention to the glass worms. The male is always on it’s way looking for small food – I can’t tell whether the female dares to do so.
The male showed a small attempt of “sexy eyes”, the female didn’t.
I am waiting patiently. I just was afraid that something might be wrong with the male being so aggressive. Your answers calmed me. 🙂
Thank you, Helene.
Yes, I think it’s no problem for the female (if it indeed is a female…) to find plenty of hiding places. I am not afraid he might harm her.
And I think it’s a female indeed – I posted a photo showing both, the male displaying, here.
Here is another photo – at this time there was no aggression to be seen, it started a few days later.
I hope you are right and this might be a sign of a forthcoming mating.
Hello, Peter,
this is my first pair of paros – and it’s the only one I have by now.
The fishes were bred by Thorsten Kolb – I can ask him whether he observed this phenomenon in the other fry.
Two further pairs went to another IGL member – he reported normal caudal colouration yesterday.
