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I confirm that it’s not a photographical problem at all. My P. alfredi male often has such red eyes. I plan to observe the other species I have concerning this matter.
Hi Andrzej, welcome on the forum. Thank you for sharing these pictures of you tanks! They look very natural. What materials have you used?
Wellcome on this forum Frederik!
I’m glad to read that you plan to separate the parents in order to get offspring. It’s a good decision to expand that small linkei family, so I wish you much success.[quote=”Maurice” post=4133]Looking for an interesing species or genus i came across Parosphromenus recently. Started looking for more information on them and ended up here. In Dutch there is almost nothing about them to be found and for as far as i can find in The Netherlands noone is regularly breeding any…
Wich, of course, sparked my curiousety a bit further[/quote]
Welcome!
P-P members Armin and Bartian live in the Netherlands. I personally very appreciated the topics and advices of Karen Koomans on the old Dutch Labyrintvissen Forum. You can also trace back her experiences on other forums, in other languages. Regulary, I update my own threads on a belgian forum with members in both Low Countries. One of the actual two pictures of the week is … a paro 😉 and nowadays another member overthere documents his first attempt with a paro tank in Dutch as well.Hallo Maurice, inderdaad 🙂 I’m living about 225km from Delft. Feel free to contact me whenever you might plan to arrive to Belgium.
I’m spending some days off and clean my tanks. Afterwards, I’ll post new pictures of these young paros.I fully appreciate you explanation, Peter. You shouldn’t regret. I agree with all elements of it. Moreover, it contributes in a positive way to this discussion.
I am familiar with your clarification as I do have read the book you mention, and often open it again for consultation. So I hope there wasn’t anything in my comments that gave the impression that I disagree. My previous reaction was quite provocative, due to my practical motives as aquarist. I know you understand them.
When feeding my controversial P. tweediei (?) this evening, I understood their name doesn’t influence the fact that they are very goodlooking. Of course I’ll continue to breed them, in spite of the unexpected constraints that I’ll have to keep in mind.
Thanks for the compliments.
You should have seen me, laying during one hour on the floor to take approx. 100 snapshots from the lowest tank on my shelf. If somebody would have photographed me, I’d finally have an avatar :silly:
These juveniles still look rather different than their parents. It makes me wonder if the different stages of the genetical evolution of a species is reflected by the way their fry evolves towards maturity.
All comments in this thread are interesting for me, included the ones of Peter. It’s wonderfull to read different approaches.
From scientific point of view, it probably must look useless to discuss about the ID of fish whereof the exact place of catch hasn’t been established.
The major part of people with an ordinary living room tank doesn’t bother about it neither.
But taking in mind the 4th and main objective of the Project (menu on the left :whistle: ), our mutual exchange of questions and answers about the origin and ID of Paro’s becomes relevant.
Not that we are so eager to give them a name, but because we understand the necessity to label our paros when we distribute their young, or exchange in order to make new pairs.
I agree with Helene, and hence, also realize that ‘species unclear’ means that I don’t need any new couples. Who will want them?
Have you double checked the answers of Armin and Peter on your question about P. opallios in the 1st thread about this import?
P. Opallios was simultaneously present on the European market in 2013, … and Bernd is right about the fact that all fish are collected in Singapore.
This knowledge and the pictures, especially the one at the bottom of Martin Hallmanns description of this species on the German IGL website, make me even doubt about the ID my ‘tweediei’ couples. I don’t like to doubt, although it doesn’t change or influence the importance of the fish at all.
I’d like to find out more about the importance of the width of the black band in the caudal fin. Unfortunately, the book of Horst Linke is not present on my bookshelf. But I do recognise and confirm your descriptions of the behaviour of our fish.
This makes me wonder about the observations of the persons named Menzel (spring census 2014) and Mogens (autumn census 2013). Armin told me that he thought that these tweediei had been catched as small, young fish, and had grown up in a tank before being exported. At that time, I didn’t ask him why he thought so.
I have posted some new pictures of the juveniles I have. It will allow you to compare one day.
There were finally 7 juveniles and since a couple of months, they are residing in a seperate 35 liter tank. The majority is definitly male, but there is one single fish whom I suspect (read: hope )to be female.
The pictures underneath show how their colours are developping. The biggest ones are about 8-9 months old. To allow futur comparison, I plan to post some other pictures when they are adult.
[quote=”helene” post=4030]I am determined to find out somehow. B) I have got 20 little offspring who deserves to know who their father is![/quote]
Your approach is comprehensible. It’s more or less for the same reason that I reacted in this thread. I’m glad to have offspring from 2 couples. But after some generations, I’l try to exchange descendants of this unique import in 08/2013, and assure a healthy continuation.
How much of the imported number of fish will still remain? So I particulary noticed that you got 6 of them as well. In case yours turn out not be tweediei at all … how will I be sure about the fish of other Project members mentioning P. tweediei trade (Ruinemans 2013) in the Census?
While taking mine out of his tank, Armin told me that the couples he delivered for identification to Peter and Martin had been swimming in it as well. Let’s hope nobody will ever forget to write down in the census from who the fish was obtained B)
Thank you Helene for confirming that mine look like tweediei 🙂
The import had been announced last year on Ruinemans’ website during their summer break. In the months before that time, only a large quantity P. linkei had been available.
A mix with linkei stowaways, would rather mean that you shouldn’t hesitate any longer. But I agree that it still could be different species. The fishermen might have checked several nearby locations in one and the same region, and have put everyting together at the end of the day :unsure:
Whatsoever, I don’t have enough experience to exclude one or other identification because of the black band in the caudal. I’ve compared the pictures in the species section but don’t see any difference. :huh:
So I can only tell you my observations:
-my males already had moments that they looked as bleuish as on your pictures.
-my females totally behave and look the same way as you described and photographed. The species section confirms the colouration of tweediei females.
-the dorsal of your males seems to match with the description of tweediei males: slightly pointed, but not extremely long. Compare with rubrimontis: the male always has a pointed dorsal fin, partly very long, almost like a pennant.Hi Helene,
Are these the same as the ones you wrote about last year, in the topic P. tweediei (?) in Holland?
In that same thread, Peter indicated that he had received 8 of these fish as well, and confirmed them as correctly determined.
Your doubts might concern me as well, as I acquired 2 couples from the same import. I suggest to take a look at the the pictures that I’ve posted in a seperate thread. Should I really doubt about their ID?
